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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1974-03-04 Regular MinutesMarch 4, 1974 TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL 8:00 P.M. REGULAR MEETING FLAG SALUTE AND CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL OF COUNCIL MEMBERS MINUTE APPROVAL VOUCHER APPROVAL ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS Res. #414, Authorizing Mayor to sign agreement for temporary water service with Water District #75 CORRESPONDENCE AND CURRENT BUSINESS Claim for damages Cecilia N. Iverson Bid awards: self propelled striping machine and self propelled riding tractor and rotary mower MINUTES 434 Tukwila City Hall Council Chambers Mayor Todd led the Pledge of Allegiance and called the meeting of the Tukwila City Council to order. GARDNER, STERLING, TRAYNOR, DAVIS, HARRIS, SAUL, JOHANSON MOVED BY TRAYNOR, SECONDED BY SAUL, THAT THE MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE REGULAR MEETING OF FEBRUARY 25, 1974 BE APPROVED AS PUBLISHED. CARRIED. MOVED BY TRAYNOR, SECONDED BY HARRIS, THAT THE BILLS BE ACCEPTED AND WARRANTS BE DRAWN IN THEIR RESPECTIVE AMOUNTS. CARRIED. Vouchers #2296 #2411 Current Fund #2296 #2351 Park Fund #2352 #2358 Emer. Empl. #2359 #2360 Street Fund #2361 #2382 City Shop #2383 #2384 Fire Station #2385 Water Fund #2386 #2400 Sewer Fund #2401 #2411 LID #22 Cash 40 $40,829.80 Rev. R -8 40,829.80 12,859.62 293.26 149.78 10,760.37 49,138.14 31,628.54 5,424.16 747.69 Total $111,001.56 MOVED BY TRAYNOR, SECONDED BY STERLING, THAT THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION BE READ. CARRIED. Attorney Parker read proposed resolution regarding sale of water to Water District No. 75. Councilman Sterling asked the purpose of this resolution. Mayor Todd explained at the present time Water District #75 is buying water from the City while they are constructing. After the construction, the City will then be able to buy water from Water District #75. MOVED BY TRAYNOR, SECONDED BY SAUL, THAT RESOLUTION #414 BE ADOPTED AS READ. CARRIED. MOVED BY TRAYNOR, SECONDED BY SAUL, THAT THE CLAIM FOR DAMAGES BE REFERRED TO THE INSURANCE CARRIER OF THE CITY. CARRIED. Steve Hall, Public Works Director, read two letters to the Coun- cil regarding the recommendations on bid awards for a self propelled striping machine and a self propelled riding tractor and rotary mower. The recommendation for the striping machine bid was to the low bidder, Sahlberg Equipment, Inc., at $7,353.89. The recommendation for the riding tractor and rotary mower was to the second low bidder, J. C. Penney Company, at $1,832.20 because the machinery presented by the low bidder did not meet the specifications required. MOVED BY TRAYNOR, SECONDED BY GARDNER, THAT THE LOW BIDDER ON THE STRIPING MACHINE BE GRANTED BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR* Councilwoman Davis asked for the City Attorney's opinion. Attorney Parker questionned the wording of the Motion. It was clarified that one bid would be approved at a time. Councilman Sterling stated it was his impression that all bids would be opened at the Council table. Councilwoman Harris stated in reference to her Motion made at an earlier meeting that she requested only the legal advertising bid be brought before the Council. *CARRIED. MOVED BY TRAYNOR, SECONDED BY SAUL, THAT THE SECOND LOW BIDDER ON THE RIDING TRACTOR AND ROTARY MOWER BE GRANTED BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.* Councilwoman Harris asked why the low bid was not recommended. Steve Hall explained the unit of the low bidder was inspected and it did not conform to specifica- tions required. *CARRIED. Tukwila City Council Meeting March 4, 1974 Page 2 CORRESPONDENCE AND CURRENT BUSINESS Cont. City Hall site RECESS 8:20 P.M. 8:40 P.M. Mrs. Lee Mrs. Leahy 63/ Councilman Traynor read from Ordinance #509 regarding proper audience conduct. He then stated he was requested by the Coun- cil to approach the City Attorney regarding an advisory ballot. Mr. Dillon, King County Elections, had stated an advisory ballot is quite commonly used to get opinions from the citizens. The approximate cost for the City of Tukwila to have a special ad- visory ballot would be $700. Mayor Todd stated the Council had requested last week that the Concerned Citizens Committee pro- duce support from the registered voters for Site #10. Council- man Traynor read the certification of the count and the verified figures, and read the context of the ballot. Mayor Todd asked if this accurately represented the recommendation of the Plan- ning Commission. Councilman Traynor stated it was to the best of his knowledge. City Clerk Shirlee Kinney then presented Councilman Traynor with 30 additional signatures all indicating preference for Site #10. Mayor Todd called for a ten minute recess to verify the 30 additional signatures with the registered voters list. The meeting was called to order with all Councilmembers present as previously listed. City Clerk Shirlee Kinney reported that of the new signatures, 26 were verified for Site #10 and 13 were verified for Site #6 and 5 of the signatures were not registered voters. The total number of balloted signatures is: 343 for Site #10; 43 for Site #6; 9 for Site #9; 7 for other sites; the total 402 ballots were verified. Councilman Sterling asked what the Council's opinion was of the advisory ballot. Councilwoman Davis stated it was a good idea. She stated several people had called to tell her they were con- fused as to which site the Council agreed on. Councilman Sterl- ing stated if we could have all the cost figures available for both sites and estimates for the building costs to put on an advisory ballot and get the true voice of the people. Council- woman Davis stated this would almost guarantee the bond issue passing. "I am really for it." Mayor Todd asked how much money is the Council willing to spend? They will have to get an appraisal for the Goldsmith and Lee property. Councilman Sterl- ing asked how much land would be required to add to Site #6. Gary Crutchfield, Planning Department, stated 4 additional acres would be required. Mayor Todd stated very extensive research would be required to present the full picture to the public. Councilwoman Davis stated this was necessary because of the difference in costs between Sites #6 and #9 compared to Site #10. We need to think about where the extra money would go if we did not get Site #10. There are other goals of the City such as the purchase of the golf course. Mrs. Velma Lee asked if Site #10 would still be available to the City after all this is done. Councilwoman Davis stated she did not know. Council- man Johanson stated it has been up for sale now for 8 years. Councilwoman Harris stated her personal feelings were that the Council should make a decision. This has been in the mill for quite some time. We have gone through a lot of fact finding and we ought to make a decision tonight pn the location of the City Hall. Councilwoman Davis stated she disagreed and if the Council voted on this tonight, it might fail with the citizens. We will have the approval of the citizens with a bond issue to pass on the site with an advisory ballot. Mayor Todd stated we have an 85% vote count now of the voting public on the bond issue with only 15% support for sites #6 and #9. Isn't this an indication of how the people feel? Councilman Gardner stated the people knew when they voted for him that he wanted Site #6. Mrs. Dorothy Leahy stated she has lived in Tukwila for 30 years. You say this is the will of the people how did they get a chance to make their feelings known? No one has ever asked for my opinion. Mayor Todd stated this forum has been an opportunity to voice an opinion. The ballots were carried by the citizens. Mrs. Leahy stated that this is how these citizens got their answers depending on which house they Tukwila City Council Meeting March 4, 1974 Page 3 CORRESPONDENCE AND CURRENT BUSINESS Cont. City Hall site Cont. Mrs. Altmeyer Mrs. Leahy Miss Nelsen Mrs. St. Peter Mrs. Robinson Mrs. Holloway Mr. Phelps Mr. Toon Mrs. Mitchell Mrs. McConkey Mr. Ferguson Mrs. Johanson 3ca went to. This is what I am complaining about. Mayor Todd stated she has the opportunity now to fill out one of the forms if she wishes. Mrs. Leahy indicated she would like to fill out one of the ballots. Mrs. Anne Altmeyer stated there was a public hearing held for that purpose. Mrs. Leahy stated she is the first delegate from the 31st Legislative District and she does have other meetings to attend. "I can't always come to the town meetings." Miss Helen Nelsen stated there were over 1,000 voters in the last election. We have signatures for 400 voters which leaves 600 unaccounted for. She stated there was no one passing ballots in her neighborhood. If you are going to carry petitions then everyone should be contacted. Otherwise the petitions are distributed to the people who vote the way you want them to vote. Mayor Todd stated all the citizens were given due notice of the Public Hearing and it is disappointing that only 30 people showed up. Miss Nelsen stated the people that were elected to the Coun- cil were elected by a majority and they are supposed to make a decision for the majority of the people. Mrs. Alma St. Peter stated she owns 3 acres and the taxes are tremendous; it means a lot to know that the Council is going to vote on this. I was not notified. The taxpayers and property owners should be noti- fied that the Council is voting on this. Mayor Todd stated if we include all the taxpayers, we would have 110 businesses in Southcenter voting too. There is a big difference between the voters and taxpayers. Mrs. Sis Robinson stated there were 15 people who were polling the public last week; we did as good a job as we could. A lot of the people we talked to stated they just did not care and did not voice their opinions. Mrs. Rena Holloway stated in view of the many factors being discussed, it should go to the voters to decide. Mr. Steve Phelps asked the Council if they would be interested in an advisory ballot if the public supported Site #6. Councilman Sterling answered yes, either way. Mr. Phelps stated he attended the last Council meet- ing and it was evident Site #10 was voted down and I assumed that Site #6 was in. There was no mention at that time of an advisory ballot. The Council was ready to decide. Now the Council is apparently saying it doesn't want to decide it wants to have the voters make the decision for them. Councilman Sterling asked which Mr. Phelps preferred. Mr. Phelps stated he would like to have the voice of the people at the Council. The Council should vote on the Site the people obviously prefer. Councilman Sterl- ing questioned that this was obvious. The people in this room do not represent the population. Mr. Phelps stated the last City Hall site that was selected for a bond issue went down. It is a political reality that these 50 or 60 people are not going to like one particular site and they are going to try very hard to make sure that that site is not selected. Councilman Sterling stated the advisory ballot is the only fair way to put this issue to the people. Mr. Bill Toon asked if on this advisory ballot only 40% of the people turn out, is the Council going to accept the 40% and base their vote on that? Councilman Sterling stated the history of this town is such that there will be more than 40% of the citizens at the polls. Councilman Traynor then read a letter signed by 50 citizens protesting "the undue threats and harassments inflicted on members of the Council." Mayor Todd asked that the names on this letter be included for the public record. Councilman Johanson stated the letter would be on file available as a matter of public record; there is no need to read the names. Mayor Todd stated this letter criticized members of the community and the source of the letter should be disclosed. It is not a valid document without a signature. Councilman Traynor stated anyone who feels it is important can see this and any other record of the City. Mayor Todd stated "the Chair rules the signatures be read." Mrs. Mitchell stated in the case of every other letter read by the Council, the signature has always been read. Mrs. Clark McConkey stated last week Councilman Traynor read letters regarding the City Hall site and he also read the signatures. Mr. Todd Ferguson stated he was interested in hearing the signatures. He stated people can be talked into signing things. He asked who drafted the letter. Mrs. Elaine Johanson stated she and Freda Leahy drafted the letter; there is hdAhl n3 Tukwila City Council Meeting March 4, 1974 Page 4 CORRESPONDENCE AND CURRENT BUSINESS Cont. City Hall site Cont. Mrs. Toon Mr. James Mrs. Crain Mr. McAdoo Mrs. Toon Mrs. Trudeau G33 in that letter that any law abiding citizen attending an orderly meeting would object to. She stated she would be willing to have her name heard and doubted if the others who signed would mind. Mrs. Johanson stated during the campaigns for election last fall, some of the Councilmembers took a particular stand on the City Hall site. The fact that these people were elected is ample proof of the feeling of the majority of the people who voiced their convictions through their votes for these Councilmembers. Mrs. Peggy Toon stated she would like to hear the signatures and see how many of those people who signed were actually at the meeting last week. If they did not attend, they are basing their opinion on hearsay. Mr. Burl James stated only one member cam- paigning last fall talked to him about the City Hall site and he did not vote for the Councilmembers because of the site. Mrs. Ann Crain stated the only person who talked to her about the City Hall site was Dan Saul. There were only 3 other Councilmembers elected by a large margin and one has been appointed by the Coun- cil since then. This does not represent a majority on the Coun- cil. Councilman Saul stated, in adressing Mrs. Robinson and Mr. Ron Mettler, that tonight he feels we have a chance to lose the City Hall site. If we push ahead with Site #10 like the 400 petitioners say they want, there's a good chance it won't make it and if it doesn't there is a good chance you will oppose any- thing that comes up in the future. You have to decide whether you want to push and not get Site #10 and not get a City Hall site. These 400 people would really be up in arms if that happened. Councilman Gardner stated we have voted on this so many times now. For a long time he thought Site #6 would be it. He asked Mayor Todd if that is where he proposes to build an old folks' home. Mayor Todd stated this question is out of order, but he has stated he has repeated the appraisor's report that it was an excellent site for an apartment building, and if the City of Tukwila ever needs a place for an apartment building or a home for our elderly, it would make an excellent place. Councilman Gardner stated he could not understand if the site is too steep for a City Hall site, why would it be fine for an old folks' home? Mayor Todd stated the parking requirements are much different. Councilman Traynor stated he has heard over the last three weeks a lot of personal opinions and his feelings are not with any of the three sites recouuuended. He objected to moving the police station off the hill because then 90% of the protection we have will be lost. The Van Woerden site is beauti- ful, but will it be as beautiful when all the property around it is developed. The Desimone property is my personal choice. It is large enough to keep the police station and have a commun- ity center too. It is hard as a Councilman for me to vote on any of these sites I don't believe in. Councilwomen Harris stated that when the Van Woerden property is filled it will not look the same as it does now. After it is filled, the trees and shrubbery will probably die and it will be as flat as a table top; we will have to add additional landscaping as well as in- stall storm drainage under an LID as a cost to the taxpayers. The other site has most of the utilities now but they will have to be enlarged. The bulk of the landscaping is already there. With the proper architecture, it could be a very appealing site. It ties the residential community with the business area. Each facet of the community is important. Even the people driving by will be able to identify it. I do represent the people in terms of saving them money. Are you willing to tie up $2.2 million in one facility? We only have $4.5 million capacity in G. 0. Bonds 5% of the total assessed valuation. We may be wanting to go to sidewalks, buy the golf course or do some other things. This site represents more than half of our bonding capacity in G. 0. Bonds. Mr. Ben McAdoo, architect for the building, stated this matter is not outside of his services as a professional in regard to the statement that you would not have to scalp the site; often times trees are saved by filling around them. Coun- cilman Traynor asked City Clerk Shirlee Kinney to read the names signed to the letter. The names were read. Mrs. Peggy Toon stated there was no person on that list here last week to say that there was misconduct. Mrs. Joanne Trudeau stated the letter does not exactly pertain to one meeting but applies to any public Tukwila City Council Meeting March 4, 1974 Page 5 CORRESPONDENCE AND CURRENT BUSINESS Cont. City Hall site Cont. Mr. McAdoo Ms. Brown Mrs. Crain Mr. Barlow 3 4 meeting. Councilman Johanson then read his letter to the Coun- cilmembers and the citizens, stating his "concern is for the future when faced by similar decisions, will the Council give in to pressure groups that simply do not recognize the prestige and integrity that the Council position represents. The majority of the voters gave support through the proper form of the last election. The failure of certain people to recognize that binding support borders on mob control, which is anarchy." MOVED BY SAUL, SECONDED BY TRAYNOR, TO RECONSIDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF SITE #10. ROLL CALL VOTE: 2 AYES TRAYNOR, SAUL; 5 NOS GARDNER, STERLING, DAVIS, HARRIS, JOHANSON. MOTION FAILED. MOVED BY STERLING, SECONDED BY TRAYNOR TO REFER SITE #6 AND #10 AND THE COSTS INCLUDING BUILDING ESTI- MATES AND SITE PREPARATION BE PLACED ON AN ADVISORY BALLOT.* Councilman Saul asked what the costs would be and how complete should the cost study be? Councilman Traynor stated estimates will be satisfactory. When we need the actual cost, we can go back and ask for a bond. Councilman Saul asked if this could be accomplished and get it on the advisory ballot in 45 days. Steve Hall, Public Works Director, stated if the Council will accept the present information and that the additional acreage for Site #6 will have to be considered too. The staff doesn't have the time to do this if more detailed information is required. The Planning Conmdssion's figures are a good ballpark estimate. Mr. Ben McAdoo stated he has felt the effects of escalating costs recently. In three months the cost of one project raised 107. He recommended the Council act as expeditiously as possible. He would be pleased to obtain some cost estimates on the current information and would recommend Mr. Russ Stevens, the best in the area of estimating. Councilman Saul asked if the information presently available is all we would actually need. Councilman Sterling stated it would not be complete on the building. Gary Crutchfield stated the estimates on building were general, based on a 3 story building at 30,000 sq. feet. Councilman Saul asked what amount of time is involved. Mr. McAdoo stated the estimates improve with the degree of completion of the drawings. Schematic designs would be completed for both sites and then we would have a final estimate. The estimator's cost would be $300 to $350 for a time period of about three weeks after the designs are com- plete. Councilman Saul stated the type of building we would want would be up to the people. It is not possible to design some- thing that would be acceptable now. Ms. Susan Brown asked how binding would the advisory ballot be for the City Council. After this, would we come back to the same problem again? Councilman Traynor stated Mr. Dillon indicated it is not binding, but it would represent the will of the people and it should be. Mrs. Ann Crain asked if the ballot presented figures and buildings for both sites and the people choose the site they want, then is this building on the site what we will get? If it isn't, then what's the purpose of all this. You might decide that that type of building isn't what we're going to put on the site at all. I don't see how you can put on the ballot what you are go- ing to put on the site and how much its going to cost if you don't know what type of building its going to be ahead of time. Councilman Sterling stated by that time (of the ballot) we should know what type of building would work the best for that lot and the costs. Mrs. Crain asked if the Council could change that later. Councilman Sterling stated we could but we would not want to, once we find out what is the best type of building according to the professionals. Mrs. Crain then stated the bal- lot is not legally binding, is it? Councilman Sterling stated no, not legally but certainly morally. Mr. Sherman Barlow stated the Council is trying to solve too many problems tonight. The building costs you have no idea about and you are trying to tie this to a location. The building costs can alter from day to day. I don't think the building as such should be considered. We are all going to have to resolve a site and leave the building for another occasion. Mayor Todd agreed because it is not possible to present a plan to the public for a vote and guarantee Tukwila City Council Meeting March 4, 1974 Page 6 CORRESPONDENCE AND CURRENT BUSINESS Cont. City Hall site Cont. Mrs. West Mr. Barlow Mr. Brown NEW BUSINESS Public Hearings King County Solid Waste Division Council of the Whole meeting DEPARTMENT AND COMMITTEE REPORTS Fire Department Police Department 3s it will look like that. Mr. Barlow stated he is not entirely in agreement with the 3 sites chosen. There are other sites that could be better or worse. But the building is immaterial at this time. The time to get the estimates is when you build the build- ing. Mrs. Darleen West stated when you buy a lot to build a house, you always consider the type of house to build on that lot, The same applies to the City Hall site. It makes a difference to the taxpayer if one site costs very much more to build on than the other to house the same facilities. It is ridiculous to spend the taxpayers money this way. Mr. Barlow agreed once the choice of lots is made, that will be taken into consideration. Merely because one person likes to live on the side of the hill and another likes to live on the flat does not make a difference. The choice of sites would be considered in the overall location. and the costs. Mr. Roger Brown stated if the figures to be in- cluded on the bond include the interest, then the figures will be double. Mayor Todd stated the sq. foot cost figures show more accurately the costs involved than those listed on the board here. Mr. McAdoo stated there are excavation costs for Site #6 and there is certain to be extra foundation work for Site #10. There are development costs to consider on both sites. *ROLL CALL VOTE: 5 AYES STERLING, TRAYNOR, DAVIS, SAUL, JOHANSON; 2 NOS GARDNER, HARRIS. CARRIED. Councilman Sterling stated the Council will now have to look at the Budget to see where the money will come from for research. Mayor Todd suggested the City Hall Construction Fund which now has $150,000. Councilman Traynor read the Notice of Public Hearing by the City Council for March 25, 1974 at 7:00 P.M. in the Council Chambers to consider a request by the King County Solid Waste Division to amend the Comprehensive Land -Use Plan to allow an industrial -use designation on that property generally lying in the extreme southeasterly portion of the City. Councilman Traynor read the Notice of Public Hearing by the City Council for March 25, 1974 at 7:30 P.M. in the Council Chambers to consider the subsequent request by the King County Solid Waste Division to rezone, in conformance with the Comprehensive Land Use Plan, that portion of property, legally described in Exhibit "A to M -2. Councilman Traynor announced a meeting of the Council of the Whole on March 21, 1974 at 7:00 P.M. in the Council Chambers to consider the Council procedures ordinance and the HUD housing proposal. Councilwoman Davis read a letter of appreciation from the Port of Seattle Airport Fire Department for the assistance from Tukwila Firemen Flue and White, who were off duty when assisting the understaffed Airport Fire Department with a fire recently. Chief Crawley announced a meeting of the Public Safety Committee set for Tuesday, March 5 at 7:30 P.M. at the Fire Hall. Chief Sheets announced an increase of crime, especially in cases of gasoline larceny, of 17% in January although white collar crime is down. Chief Sheets stated that Fireman Flue is the leader of the Explorer Scouts and a good member of the community. He is assist ing in teaching the Scouts in the field of fire fighting and prevention and in the field of police work. The Scouts are now interested in patrolling with the Police Officers for one day. Tukwila City Council Meeting March 4, 1974 Page 7 DEPARTMENT AND COMMITTEE REPORTS Cont. Police Dept. Cont. Employee Insurance benefits AUDIENCE COMMENTS Mrs. Altmeyer X36 Chief Sheets stated he would like Council approval for this pro- ject since there might be a question of the liability coverage for the Scouts. Mayor Todd stated he would talk to the insurance company to clarify the coverage in this case, and it will be on the agenda for the next meeting. Chief Sheets announced an offer from Southcenter Corporation for office space for the Police Department. It would be ideal to have a place to take statements, bring in offenders and victims, etc. It would provide a small headquarters for the foot patrol- men and their equipment. The office will not be manned 24 hours. But it could very well serve as an information center while the Mall is open; after all, policemen do serve as social workers for the community. Councilman Johanson asked if the Council needed an ordinance for this. Mayor Todd replied an ordinance will be necessary to accept the donation of office space. Councilwoman Davis stated she liked the idea of having the name of Tukwila being seen at Southcenter. MOVED BY DAVIS, SECONDED BY HARRIS, THAT ATTORNEY PARKER PROVIDE A RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT A DONATION OF OFFICE SPACE FOR THE TUKWILA POLICE DEPARTMENT.* Councilman Saul asked if this would make it necessary to hire additional personnel. Chief Sheets stated not at this time, but next year's budget request will be for additional foot patrolmen. *CARRIED. Mayor Todd stated the Chief and his Department are doing a good job. Public Works Steve Hall, Public Works Director, stated the T.O.P.I.C.S. Study will be available to us March 8. Steve Hall stated Richard Hunt, Recreation Supervisor, is trying to get a program started at the Tukwila Community Club for the senior citizens. Anyone interested should contact Mr. Hunt. Steve Hall stated LID #21 is complete and ready for final approv- al. LID #22 is complete to Minkler Blvd. and the storm drainage is ready to be put in there. A remainder of the utilities are going in at the City Shops and 80% of the panels are up at the new Fire Station. Miss Helen Nelsen inquired about LID Steve Hall stated LID #19 and #20 are ready for bid and will be presented at the same time in order to let one contractor. It is in the final design stage now and will go to bid in a month or two. City Attorney Attorney Parker gave a report on the Terrace Apartments suit and will try to settle it with the title insurance company. Attorney Parker stated there is additional activity on the Sam mamish law suit; he received a letter from Attorney Kasperson and the Council, the Mayor and Steve Hall have received copies of it. The letter will indicate just how involved this case is. There are not precedents for a case like this, it might be said it is a case of first impression. Councilman Traynor stated he received a reply from the Associa- tion of Washington Cities regarding an assistant to the City Attorney on the Sammamish law suit. He presented the letter to Councilman Sterling to review. Councilman Saul reported the insurance coverage for City employ- ees and dependents will be presented to the Council after the names and ages of employees and dependents are submitted to each of the insurance companies recommended by some of the King County cities. Councilwoman Harris asked if the information received by the Council then would be advisory. Councilman Saul answered yes, we will be looking at the different plans of each company. Mrs. Anne Altmeyer stated she resented Councilman Johanson's letter to the Council in that it was not a fair assessment of the events taking place. People who follow the democratic pro- cess to be heard at the City Council and at Public Hearings and Tukwila City Council Meeting March 4, 1974 Page 8 AUDIENCE COMMENTS Cont. Mrs. Pesicka Bi- Centennial Commission ADJOURNMENT 10:35 P.M. ATTEST: 37 through petitions have done all they can do. Then to be called "anarchists" or members of an unruly crowd does not become you or them, and I include myself. I don't know what else the people could have done. She stated she does not remember any of the candidates coming to her and asking what she felt about anything except Dan Saul. There have been many good civic minded citizens at these meetings on both sides of the issue. Councilman Johanson stated he made the statement to his fellow Councilmembers because that is what he believes and what he interpreted from the other night. I was pressed somewhat phy- sically on my way out and know another member of the Council who was pressured quite a bit. Are you going to encourage this type of tactic, whether it is a physical force or a mental force. Mrs. Altmeyer stated this is his interpretation she does not think anyone here wants to do anything to him physically. Coun- cilman Johanson stated the problem that night was with communica- tions. Mrs. Altmeyer stated it still is. Councilman Johanson agreed. Mayor Todd asked if it was during or after the meeting when Councilman Johanson was physically pressed. Mrs. Altmeyer stated she heard Councilman Johanson state it was on his way out after the meeting and it was a crowded meeting. The fact is that someone coming here and saying something in dissent with the Council still has the right to say it without being called names. I want you to know as one member of that group that I did not consider myself unruly and still don't, but I do think of myself as a citizen who has the right to speak to this Council and other elected officials. I have to say to you, I don't fit that cate- gory. Councilman Johanson stated in reference to specific in- stances in which Mrs. Altmeyer did rebut intermittently interrupt- ing comments of the Council. He did not wish her to give the impression she was sitting quietly. Mrs. Altmeyer stated she indeed was not sitting quietly. Councilman Johanson stated he recalled only one time in all the years of his association with the Council that she has asked his opinion about something, but we had a short discussion. I have always been responsive to anyone wanting to talk to me. He stated on the prior weekend when Mrs. Altmeyer talked to 4 Councilmembers, she did not call or talk to him. Mrs. Altmeyer stated he was not a Councilmember at that time and it did not matter how he felt then. Council- man Johanson slated she had a pretty good idea Mrs. Altmeyer stated she sure did. Councilman Johanson continued that she had a pretty good idea of his choice because he has supported it for a number of years. The Planning Commission recommendation had 4 votes for one site and 3 for another; it was very close. Why all the big hassle? It is only a recommendation and the decision is to be trade at this table. Mrs. Altmeyer stated the City Hall site is not what she is discussing now. It is immater- ial to me before you became a Councilman what you felt about it because you were not a Councilman. You were not sitting at that table so I did not call on you. My point is that I feel the remarks you made are a bit strong. Councilman Johanson stated he felt they were necessary. Mrs. Phyllis Pesicka stated if the Council is truly worried about anarchy and mob rule, they ought to take Chief Sheets' recommendation and hire more policemen. Councilman Saul announced a meeting of the Bi- Centennial Commis- sion set for Thursday, March 7 at 8:00 P. M. in the Council Chambers. MOVED BY TRAYNOR, SECONDED BY DAVIS, THAT THE MEETING ADJOURN. CARRIED. Frank Todd, Mayor 1 1 r Shirlee A. Kinney, City Clerk