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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1975-03-24 Committee of the Whole MinutesMarch 24, 1975 7:30 P.M. CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL OF COUNCIL MEMBERS DISCUSSION City Hall /Police Station EXECUTIVE SESSION 7 :40 P.M. 8 :15 P.M. DISCUSSION Contd. City Hall /Police Station Contd. TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING MINUTES GARDNER, STERLING, TRAYNOR, DAVIS, HARRIS, JOHANSON Tukwila City Hall Council Chambers Council President Traynor called the Committee of the Whole Meeting to order. Councilwoman Davis stated that the letter regarding the McAdoo study given to the City Council by the Mayor is all that has been submitted. Council President Traynor stated that they also had the study on the Don Koll building. Councilwoman Davis stated that it has been recommended to the City Council that they make no use of the McAdoo study. Councilman Sterling stated that it was his understanding that the City could get in trouble if any of the McAdoo material is used. Councilwoman Davis stated that if it has been determined to have the Police Department and the City Hall at one location the City Council should notify Mr. Augustino of their decision so he would not be holding the property that he had offered for sale to the City to be used as a Police Department. She stated she had discussed the matter with Foster and Marshall and they stated that it is traditional to have the Police Department near the City Hall. Council President Traynor asked what the difference in the cost would be if the City Hall was built without the Police Department. Councilwoman Davis replied that the cost of the building and property offered by Mr. Augustino is $350,000 and contains just less than 2 acres. Councilman Sterling stated that one architect had said that the Police Department added to the City Hall would cost approximately $100,000 more, but he added it was important they know how much the City Hall will cost if the Police Department is added. He further added that he felt that by adding the Police Depart- ment to the City Hall it would not add $350,000 to the cost. Councilman Gardner stated that the building that has been offered for sale for use as a Police Department would cost about half and half for property and building. Council Presi- dent Traynor asked what amount of space the Police Department needed according to the McAdoo study. Councilwoman Davis wondered how long it was going to take the Department Heads to make up their space requirements. She stated that maybe it would be better to go ahead and get the building as she did not want the Police Department to be in the basement of the City Hall when it is built. She stated she would like them to have a separate building near the City Hall. She added that maybe they should get an architect and find out how much it would cost to have the two buildings on the same piece of property. Councilwoman Harris stated that the cost of the building offered for sale to be used as a Police Depart- ment in Southcenter is without remodeling costs; therefore, we do not know what that cost would add on to the purchase price of the building. Council President Traynor stated that Mr. Hard, Attorney for the City Council had arrived and the City Council would hold an Executive Session to discuss a personal matter with him that would make it necessary to close the meeting to the pub- lic. Councilwoman Harris stated that the Executive Session with Attorney Hard was for the purpose of discussing the law suit the City Council has with Mayor Todd, et al. Council President Traynor called the meeting back to order with all Council Members present as previously listed. Councilwoman Harris stated that the City Council was trying to decide whether to have the Police Department down on Andover Pk...or to have it at the site of the City Hall and whether it should be connected to the City Hall or in separate buildings. She stated that she could understand why the TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING March 24, 1975 Page 2 DISCUSSION Contd. City Hall /Police Station Contd. Police Department would not want to be housed in the basement of a building; it is not a good working atmosphere. She stated that in looking at the HUD building and using the same concept with the lower level petitioned off, with plenty of windows, one would not have the feeling of being in a basement. She continued that she felt they should build the City Hall according to the lay of the land, and if one building is used for the City Hall and Police Department, the Police Department could be on the lower level, then the rest of the building could be on another level and be over it or recessed; there should be a special parking place for the Police Department vehicles and also for security purposes the Police Department should not have access to the rest of the building. In this way they would not be in a basement, but on the first level or first floor. Councilwoman Davis asked the members of the City Council how they felt; whether the Police Department and City Hall should be in the same building or in separate buildings. Council President Traynor stated that cost —wise it is better to keep the Police Department and City Hall in one building. Mrs. Presicka, audience, stated that she felt the Police Department should not be too far from the City Hall for such purposes as court and access to records. Cou— ncilman Johanson stated that he would like a single group complex and he would like a complete picture of maintenance that would be required. He stated he would prefer the one building idea due to the cost factor, but he would like to get it done and get the housing as quickly as possible. Councilman Gardner stated that he thought the City Hall and Police Department should be on the same piece of property. Councilman Sterling said that if it is cheaper to buy the building that has been proposed for the Police Department then he would like to do that, but if it would cost less than the $350,000 to add the Police Department to the City Hall that would be his preference. Ed Bauch, audience, stated that land is valuable, and the City owns a piece of property that architects have said is usable for a City Hall site. He stated that the City is going to have to spend at least $200,000 for the Police Department so he felt it should be close to the City Hall. Mrs. Presicka, audience, asked if the property that is owned by the City is adequate for the City Hall. Councilman Sterling stated that no additional land would be required; that a building can be designed so the property can be used as it is. Mrs. Presicka, audience, stated that her question is regarding access to the property for the Police Department. Councilman Johanson stated that in the opinion of three architects the land is buildable without additional land being required and access for the Police Department is not a problem. Councilwoman Harris stated that one architect had said that it was a beautiful piece of property and most desirable for a City Hall. Councilwoman Davis stated that it appeared that most City Council members felt thePolice Department should be in or near the City Hall and plans should be made for immediate action. Councilman Johanson stated that he was sure the Police Department will be pleased and benefit from the plans that are being made for quick action. Councilman Sterling asked where the City Council stood with Mr. McAdoo. Council President Traynor stated that there is a resolution to be read at the next City Council meeting on April 7. Council— woman Harris stated that she felt the resolution was too terse and too short, she felt there should be something added to reflect the City Council's thinking on this. She stated she would like to submit a new resolution to be on the agenda for the next City Council meeting. She added that she thought it would be a courtesy for the City Council to write Mr. Augustino declining his offer of sale of the building that had been proposed for the Police Department on Andover Way. Councilwoman Harris stated she was not happy with Mr. McAdoo's design, and she did not think any of the other members of the City Council were pleased with it. She added that the City Council had requested job descriptions and TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THEWHOLE MEETING March 24, 1975 Page 3 DISCUSSION Contd. City Hall /Police Station Contd. LID #27 11S .3 inventory from the departments so the space needed can be determined. Steve Hall, Public Works Director, stated that he was working on it. Councilwoman Harris said that the job descriptions need not be fine print; but the City Council does not want to use McAdoo's space study at all. Council President Traynor read the letter he received from Steve Hall, Public Works Director, dated March 24, 1975 as follows: In reference to the final decision of the City Coun- cil to be made on 7 April 1975, I have the following observa- tions and recommendations. In order to minimize the future problems in forming this LID, I heartily recommend that the City Council adopt the Ordinance as revised, excluding R -1 and R -A zoning, and direct Harstad and Associates to reduce the scope of the project as follows: (1) Reduce size of underground storage to pumping retainage sump only. (2) Con- struct the pump station to size to accommodate full develop- ment, only installing pumps to handle present flows. (3) In conjunction with one above, adopt an extension to the compre- hensive plan of South 180th to provide additional capacity in pipes or open ditches for future storage as this line deve- lops. It is hoped, that the final design stage will eliminate the costs occurred as a result of the increased assessment due to the elimination of the R -1 and R -A zoning. In my estimation, this is quite feasible, and with an optimistic outlook would anticipate recouping the entire costs as projected on the deletion of the aforementioned zones. If this is the final recommendation of the City Council, this LID could be finalized 7 April 1975 after the thirty days waiting period, and building permits could be issued at that point in time. Thank you for your consideration in this re- quest." Councilman Johanson stated that he was pleased to see the recommendations that have been made regarding LID #27. He asked how this will affect the basic comprehensive plan. Steve Hall, Public Works Director, stated that it would not change the basic comprehensive plan. Councilwoman Davis re- ferred to Item 3 of the above quoted letter and asked what the open ditches meant. Steve Hall, Public Works Director, showed by use of a board map where the ditches or pipes would be. Councilman Johanson asked if there would be any possibi- lity of overflow due to the open ditches or would any future development interfere with this. Councilman Sterling stated that future development will require more pumps and the owners in the deleted zoning area would have to pay for them. Mr. Paul Jonientz asked if there would be open ditches then. Mrs. Ruth Schoenbachler asked if this deleted property is later developed will the assessment be larger than it would be now. Councilman Sterling stated that if the R -1 and R -A zones are deleted when future development takes place the property owners will have to pay for their share. He further advised Mrs. Schoenbachler that her property is in the deleted area. Councilman Johanson stated that the City is required to have a comprehensive plan and the City can therefore control the building permits and if there is further development the pro- perty owners will have to contribute to the additional pumps that will be required before the building permits will be issued. Steve Hall added that when there is a comprehensive plan, the City is required to have flood control. Council- woman Harris stated that if additional building or development comes along the City will have to have more pumps or wider ditches as they are needed. She recalled that the City had a comprehensive plan once that required all of the developers to contribute and it was never enforced. She asked how the City was going to tie it down. Steve Hall replied that all that can be done is to develop a comprehensive plan and then new development would require additional pumps. Mrs. Ruth Schoenbachler, audience, asked why are only two pumps needed for all of the property included in the LID and then if the deleted R -1 and R -A zones go in later it will take two addi- tional pumps for it. She asked why they should have to pay for this. Steve Hall, Public Works Director, stated that the TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING March 24, 1975 Page 4 DISCUSSION Contd. LID #27 Contd. I /S5/ reason additional pumps would be needed is because about 35% of the water runs off ground, but when blacktopped there is more than a 90% run -off. Therefore, if the land is developed it would require the two additional pumps. Mrs. Schoenbach- ler said that at Segale's plant there is standing water and it is not water from the hill. Councilwoman Harris stated that the R -1 and R -2 zones that have been excluded contains some low and some steep ground. She asked how R -1 and R -A could be deleted when the M -1 property is similar. She stated that she thought everything west of Southcenter Blvd. should be excluded. Council President Traynor stated that some of the M -1 property is blacktopped and the water runs off faster. Mrs. Schoenbachler, audience, stated that someday the land back of her home will likely go into apart- ments, it is in King County, and they will get the drainage. Mr. Jonientz, audience, askedwly McMicken Heights has not been included in this LID. Councilman Johanson stated that McMicken Heights is not going to develop industrially. Mr. Jonientz stated that neither is his 3.75 acres going to deve- lop industrially. Ed Bauch, audience, asked when the compre- hensive plan would be ready. He stated he thought the LID should be held u until the comprehensive plan is ready. Steve Hall replied that they knew the comprehensive plan would be alright. He added that quite a bit of the cost is being saved by deleting the R -1 and R -A zones. Councilman Sterling stated that he thought the City Council should have something definite on the cost by the next City Council meeting. Steve Hall stated that the cost would not be known until the project is completed, and the final assessment roll is made. Council- woman Harris stated the preliminary assessment roll was by the property description. In order to delete, would it be by legal description. Steve Hall answered that they would have an amended legal description. He again added that he did not know what the final cost would be. Councilwoman Davis stated that the cost of the project should be borne by the LID and if another LID has to be formed then these deleted areas will have to pay their fair share. Steve Hall answered that was correct. Councilman Johanson asked Steve Hall if he had the revised descriptions. Steve Hall replied that it was almost completed. Mr. Jonientz, audience, asked what was going to happen to the ditches if there should be a power failure for several hours. Steve Hall answered that he had access to portable pumps that could be taken to the area and storage had been provided until the portable pumps could arrive. Mrs. Schoenbachler stated that her area is in the Renton School District and several of them would like to get out of it and into the Tukwila School District. Councilman Sterling stated that everyone living in that area should make a request to get out of the Renton School District. Council President Traynor stated that no decisions regarding LID #27 are being made in this meeting. He stated that they had the recommendation of the Public Works Director and the comments of the audience and the City Council would act on it at the City Council Meeting on April 7. Mrs. Schoenbachler asked if the deleted area did not go into the LID now but should at a later date, would they have to pay more money. Councilman Johanson stated that it might cost more and again it might cost less, this fact was unknown. Council President Traynor stated that rising costs might make it more. Mr. Mikami, audience, asked if Mr. Segale had not developed, would this LID be necessary. Councilman Sterling stated that it would have been necessary as there are other areas that have required the drainage. Mr. Mikami stated that at the end of his line there is a big culvert that is supposed to handle the drainage. Steve Hall stated that it is a 54 inch pipe and is designed to handle all of this drainage when there is further development. TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOT,F MEETING March 24, 1975 Page 5 DISCUSSION Contd. Letter from Mr. Edwin Simonds Committee of the Whole Meeting (Agenda) Public Safety Committee Meeting Community Affairs Committee Meeting ADJOURNMENT 10 :00 P.M. Mrs. Pesicka, audience, stated that she had a copy of a letter from Mr. Edwin Simonds down by the park. She stated she would like to have it put on the agenda for the next City Council Meeting and it might be put in committee. She stated she would like Mr. Simonds to know that action is being taken on his letter. Councilwoman Harris stated that since the next City Council Meeting will be held on April 7, 1975 the next Committee of the Whole Meeting (Agenda) will be held on April 3, 1975. Councilwoman Davis stated that her Public Safety Committee Meeting will be held on Tuesday, March 25, 1975 at 7 :30 P.M. at the Fire Station Andover Park East. Councilwoman Harris stated that her Committee would meet on Wednesday, March 26, 1975 at 5 :30 P.M. MOVED BY STERLING, SECONDED BY TRAYNOR, THAT THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOT,F COUNCIL MEETING ADJOURN. CARRIED. Nor'Booher, Recording Secretary