HomeMy WebLinkAbout1987-02-03 Special Minutes - Valley View Estates Appeal Public Hearing (Continued)February 3, 1987
7:00 p.m.
Councilman McKenna
is excused from the
meeting to comply
with the Appearance
of Fairness Doctrine.
City's Presentation
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL
PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUED
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Tukwila City Hall
Council Chambers
Mayor Van Dusen reopened the Public Hearing on the appeal on
the adequacy of the FEIS for the Valley View Estates
Development.
Council Members in attendance are: MABEL HARRIS; JOE DUFFIE;
WENDY MORGAN, Council President; EDGAR BAUCH; CHARLES
SIMPSON; MARILYN STOKNES.
There is a Court Reporter in attendance.
Attorney Haney clarified the role of hear -say evidence in
this hearing. It is admissible. It is the statement of one
person testified to by another person and is offered to prove
the truth of what the first person said. You may consider
it, but there are problems; he cautioned Council to evaluate
this type of evidence carefully.
Attorney Haney clarified Puget Western's role in these pro-
ceedings. They are an interested observer. The EIS deals
with their project. It is site specific to their site. They
have a real stake in these proceedings. Since staff prepared
the EIS, they will take the lead in defending the adequacy of
the EIS. If Puget Western wants to make some argument on the
issues, they should be allowed to do so.
Attorney Haney again explained Council's responsibility in
these hearings. The issue is the adequacy of the EIS which
was issued January 31, 1986. Council can determine the docu-
ment to be inadequate or to determine the document to be ade-
quate. The standard to be applied is the Rule of Reason. If
the EIS contains a reasonably thorough discussion of a pro-
ject's probable significant environmental consequences, the
ways in which the consequences can be mitigated and any
reasonable alternatives for the project, then the EIS is ade-
quate. If it fails to meet this test, it is inadequate.
Dennis Robertson distributed an outline of their Monday night
testimony to Council. It was labeled Exhibit 23.
Mayor Van Dusen announced that the City will have 21 hours
for their presentation. The public hearing will then be con-
tinued to tomorrow night to hear the rebuttals.
Rick Beeler, Planning Director, explained that he was not the
responsible official when the EIS was prepared, however, Brad
Collins, the responsible official who prepared the EIS is
present to testify. He explained that Council is sitting at
this session as if they were judges. Section 197 -11, SEPA
Guidelines, provides that the decision of the Responsible
Official is to be afforded substantial weight. The
appellants must overcome this substantial weight. Council
should keep in mind that the EIS is a reference document; it
is a tool. It is not the final decision; it is only one of
the steps. Ultimately, the Building Permit will be issued
but only after the Building Official is satisfied that the
requirements of the U.B.C. are met. He asked Council if the
appellants presented any new adverse significant impacts that
were not identified in the EIS. Was there any new infor-
mation that would indicate that the EIS missed some signifi-
cant environmental impacts. They don't think so.
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Their presentation will be made by those individuals who pre-
pared the EIS. Presentations will be:
Brad Collins, Collins Associates -How the EIS was prepared,
how air quality was addressed and how zoning pertains to this
development.
Jim Mac Isaac The TRANSPO Group Transportation.
Jack Tuttle, Geoengineers Appendix in the EIS of the
Geotechnical Report.
Mr. Chabra, Dames and Moore, Consultant, hired by the City to
review the draft EIS and help on preparation of the final
EIS.
Roy Richards, Noise, from Town, Richards Chaudier
Engineers.
Rick Beeler, City of Tukwila Planning Director Closing
Testimony.
Brad Collins, 411 1st Ave. So., #660, Seattle, addressed the
matter of how the EIS was prepared. At that time he was the
Responsible Official. He will also address the role of the
final EIS and how to determine if it is adequate. The Valley
View Estates project is one of the first done under the new
administrative guidelines and scoping requirements under
SEPA. City staff worked with the applicant to determine how
best to prepare the EIS. The applicant then provided the
services of a consultant and that consultant prepared the
study and documentation to disclose the significant environ-
mental impacts, mitigation measures and reasonable alter-
natives to the document. The majority of the draft EIS was
prepared by R.W. Thorpe and Associates and Stepan and
Associates. Lengthy studies were done on the areas scoped
to have probable significant adverse environmental impacts.
Particular attention was paid to stability of the hillside,
soils and hydrological studies, noise and traffic impact.
After the completion of the draft EIS, the City held a public
hearing. Following this hearing and the end of the comment
period for the draft EIS, the Responsible Official determined
that it was necessary to have some additional independent
analysis done in the geotechnical area. Dames and Moore was
retained to do this. A consultant was also retained to pre-
pare a final EIS to include new information generated by the
Dames and Moore Engineers. The final EIS was prepared and
circulated for final internal review. It was then published
and became the document of record. Based on it, the City was
able to proceed. The first action dealt with the Board of
Architectural Review. The City paid close attention to the
probable adverse impacts which may have significance in the
development of this project.
Mr. Collins discussed what the final EIS is. It is not the
decision document. It provides information necessary to
identify the adverse impacts that will be significant and how
they might be mitigated. The WAC 197.11.660 identifies what
mitigation measures must be based on.
Air quality was an issue discussed. The proximity to I -5,
405 and 518 was studied to see if the air quality would be a
significant problem to future residents. The information
provided by R.W. Thorpe and Associates was reviewed by staff
and the information suggested that there was not a signifi-
cant adverse impact. The air quality did not exceed the
standard set by the State of Washington. Mitigation measures
were not required.
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In regard to land use and zoning, Mr. Collins said a great
deal of discussion was held on what limitations there were on
the R -1 property. The City determined that parking would not
be allowed in the R -1 portion. The EIS does not change this
interpretation. The proposal of the applicant did not follow
this interpretation. The final EIS was not the decision
document; it identified the proposal and what the impacts
were. The EIS is not a perfect document; it is intended to
be adequate. The rule of reason has been followed very
closely on all matters in this document.
Mr. Beeler asked Mr. Collins if he finds that the EIS con-
tains adequate information for review and decision on a per-
mit. Mr. Collins said, yes, it is much more than adequate.
The principal authors of the draft EIS were John Potter, R.W.
Thorpe and Associates, and Ann Scales, Land Use Consultant
and John Mauk, Environmental Planner.
RECESS
8:30 8:40 p.m. Mayor Van Dusen called the public hearing back to order.
Mr. Mac Isaac, who will testify next was not at last night's
meeting so Attorney Haney swore him in.
James W. Mac Isaac, 14715 Bel -Red Road, Bellevue, 98007,
explained that he is a principal engineer with the TRANSPO
Group. The firm specializes in traffic and transportation
engineering and planning. They were retained by the appli-
cant to perform traffic studies for this project and prepared
reports for part of the EIS. In discussing traffic studies,
he said in their opinion, from a capacity and operations
point of view the streets boarding the site are low volume
streets with a lot of excess capacity. The project would
increase the traffic by 5% to 10 The overall traffic after
the project is constructed is still well under the maximum.
This is not the level of traffic that is of concern from an
operations point of view, from a neighborhood perspective, it
is a significant traffic volume, but operatively, safety
wise, it is not a heavy load on the streets. Further, they
do not see that there is a safety issue involved on the
increase of traffic on Slade way.
Parking has been questioned. Mr. Mac Isaac explained that
the applicant has proposed to develop 182 parking spaces for
108 dwelling units. Their recommendation is to not assign
spaces so that all parkers have access to any space. They
recommend that all RV parking be off -site. 1.7 spaces per
unit will more than adequately supply the project needs.
Exhibit 24 was entered into the record. It is a chart pre-
pared by the TRANSPO Group regarding the average daily traf-
fic at 160th Street, west of 53rd Avenue. Exhibit 25, for
the record, is a single sheet, at the top it reads "88
Percent of Workers Travel to Work in Cars."
Mr. Mac Isaac said the major area of concern to them traffic
operations wise in the project vicinity is the intersection
of 53rd and Klickitat. It has problems now and they will
exist whether or not the property is developed. it is not a
capacity problem but does have a safety hazard problem. The
applicant has agreed to participate in the widening of
Klickitat to provide a left turn pocket at the intersection.
This is a more than adequate mitigation for that
intersection.
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Exhibit 26 was presented for the record by Mr. Beeler. It is
titled Parking Survey and Analysis, prepared for the City of
Tukwila by Jongejan /Gerrard /McNeal for the J. B. Wright
Corporation.
Jack Tuttle, 14221 174th N.E., Redmond, WA, 98052, is with
the firm of GeoEngineers. The Valley View Estates is a very
interesting and complex project from a geotechnical point of
view. The EIS is not a design document; it is a document
which sets the ground rules for the project. He cited
Appendix A of the FEIS for a review of the history of the
site. The site was a borrow area for fill material which was
used in the early stages of fill for the Southcenter Shopping
area and north end of Andover Industrial Park. In removing
the material a slide developed. The initial stabilization
measures undertaken by Puget Western included the installa-
tion of a number of horizontal drains to relieve the
hydrostatic pressure in the lower layer as well as some
regrading of the borrow area. Next, the I -5 construction was
undertaken, and WSDOT designed and installed the horizontal
drain system wall.
This wall and drain system was completed in August, 1968.
They understand there was movement on the hillside during the
1965 earthquake. Also, there has been some surficial
creeping in the R -1 area. There is no evidence of any deep
seated slide movement. The deep drain system is an important
facet to this project. The wall was designed to hold the
hill in place; it also provides a buttress which, in their
opinion, stabilizes the hillside to a level of satisfaction
for the proposed project providing the items in their report
are paid attention to with respect to the drain system. They
have also studied the impact of the new building loads on the
potential instability of the site. Building loads for this
type of construction are not of significant consequence. The
maintenance of the system is critical.
He offered records from WSDOT on the drain system.
Exhibit 27 is the Horizontal Drain and Well System by
GeoEngineers, Inc.
Exhibit 28 2 sheets Table B -1, Piezometric levels
GeoEngineers, Inc. borings, Table B -3, Piezometric levels
Group 1 WSDOT Wells
Mr. Tuttle explained the information presented on the two
exhibits. He said that the drains are functioning as they
have been for the past several years. They do not appear to
be materially less effective than they were in 1968 when they
were installed.
He discussed the creep type instability. The storm water
detention system is designed to collect and control the exit
of storm water from the site. This is most responsive to
heavy rainfall. The french drain system goes around the
houses and behind retaining walls and is intended to inter-
cept seepage which develops through the ground at a much
slower pace than runoff from rain fall.
Mr. Tuttle continued his presentation discussing the adequacy
of the earthquake factors used in their analysis.
Councilman Duffie asked if, once they start cutting on the
hillside, can they guarantee the hill will never slide?
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Mr. Tuttle explained that they have recommended, in their
report, a very stringent set of procedures to be followed in
construction to reduce the risk to a minimum.
Council President Morgan asked who would be responsible for
maintenance of the shallow drainage system. Mr. Tuttle said
it would be located on the property and would be maintained
by the project owners, in his opinion.
Mr. Beeler added that the EIS identifies a couple of alter-
natives to handling the storm drainage. This system will be
extensively reviewed during the building permit process.
Mr. Chabra, Dames and Moore, explained they were retained by
the City to evaluate the geotechnical and hydrological
aspects of the EIS. There findings can be found on pages
195 -209 by the EIS. Based on their review of the final EIS,
they feel comfortable that GeoEngineers have addressed all
the issues raised by them.
Roy Richards, 2833 27th Ave. West, Seattle, is with the firm
of Towne, Richards Chaudier, Noise Engineers. Their study
was done in a very unbiased manner. They made every attempt
to identify the noise impact associated with this project.
The key elements of the noise impact study for this project
are: What is the noise exposure; what are the affects of
this noise on human health and welfare, and what mitigating
measures are available. He referred to page 80 and explained
where the noise measurements were made.
The site is noisy, from a number of sources. No additional
noise measurements would add significantly to the information
on the project site. He referred to the EPA guidelines on
page 81 and quoted from 2 EPA documents, "Noise Effects
Handbook" and "Protective Noise Levels." When the measured
noise levels are compared to the EPA guidelines, significant
adverse noise impacts exist. The final EIS contains almost
two full pages of mitigating measures. (Pages 86 and 87)
RECESS: Mayor Van Dusen called the public hearing back to order.
10:20 -10:30 p.m.
Mr. Beeler summarized the testimony given by the consultants.
He reminded council that Puget Sound Air Pollution Control
Authority reviewed the draft EIS and decided not to comment.
From this we conclude that they found it adequate the way it
was addressed. The traffic engineer has testified that the
streets will handle the increased volume from the project.
The WSDOT drain system is one of the most crucial parts of
this proposal. It is the number one mitigation measure on
the list. The surface drain system is still to be designed.
There will be conditions on the building permit on the
drainage system. The City has concerns about the WSDOT
drainage system and the whole stability of the hillside. The
liabilities for the hillside stability rests with Mr. Tuttle,
GeoEngineers of record. There may be more studies required
for the building permit consideration. The City hired Dames
and Moore to provide an independent review as an added level
of insurance that Mr. Tuttle's report was accurate. There is
still more work being done on the effects of the noise level
on the site. There can be mitigation measures for the inside
of the buildings that would meet the EPA levels. There are
also mitigation measures for the outside recreation areas.
As today's Responsible Official, Mr. Beeler, said he finds
the EIS adequate. There may be more information necessary
when the building permit is reviewed. He concluded that no
new information has been provided which indicates that
adverse significant impacts were not identified in the EIS.
The EIS has identified those impacts.
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CONTINUATION
10:50 p.m.
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Joel Haggard called on Brad Collins, the Responsible Official
pursuant to SEPA. He asked him a number of questions per-
taining to his position as the Responsible Official and the
procedure used in preparing the EIS. Mr. Collins responded.
There being no further discussion, Mayor Van Dusen continued
the Public Hearing to 7 :00 p.m. tomorrow (Wednesday).
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.'Van Dusen, Mayor
Maxine Anderson, City Clerk