HomeMy WebLinkAbout1980-05-12 Committee of the Whole MinutesMay 12, 1980
7:00 P.M.
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL OF COUNCIL
MEMBERS
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
AUDIENCE COMMENTS
56th Street Bridge
Truck Noise in
Allentown.
DISCUSSION
King County Animal
Control re animal
control /leash laws.
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL
COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
M I N U T E S
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City Hall
Council Chambers
Council President Saul called the Tukwila City Council Committee
of the Whole Meeting to order.
L. C. BOHRER, GEORGE D. HILL, J. REID JOHANSON, DORIS E. PHELPS,
COUNCIL PRESIDENT DANIEL J. SAUL, GARY VAN DUSEN.
MOVED BY VAN DUSEN, SECONDED BY HILL, THAT THE MINUTES OF THE
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING HELD APRIL 28,
1980 BE APPROVED AS PUBLISHED. MOTION CARRIED.
Ted Uomoto, Public Works Director, stated the insurance company
is removing the debris from the collapse of the bridge so it will
not be a safety hazard. He said he had met with King County twice
about the City role and County role. Our position is that we are
looking to King County to take the lead role in removing the debris.
They expect to share the cost. They believe Tukwila's share is
50 per cent as the County -City line goes through the middle of the
bridge.
Council President Saul asked if Tukwila took part in the inspection
in August when the bridge was declared safe. Mr. Uomoto said
the County did the inspection, since they had the expertise to
do the job.
Mrs. Vivien Smith, who resides on 50th Place South in Allentown,
said she was complaining about a trucking company located on the
west side of 50th which is in Tukwila. The trucks are mostly
refrigerated and the refrigeration units are left running when
the trucks are parked. It is very disturbing and the vibration
interferes with television. She suggested that "No Parking" signs
be placed along the shoulder of the road on the west side of 50th.
Councilman Van Dusen said the noise ordinance states that the
administration may determine that a noise be called a public
nuisance.
Mayor Todd suggested that the group affected by the noise write a
letter and all of them should sign it. It will carry weight when
he goes to the trucking company and talks to Mr. Codiga.
Mr. Dan Graves, King County Animal Control, said he was present
to answer questions the Council might have.
Councilman Van Dusen said the City has had complaints about large
dogs running about the streets, littering lawns, and in some
instances being aggressive. Some changes have been made in the
proposed animal control ordinance and the City is depending on the
County to enforce it. The biggest factor is the time and noise
of barking dogs.
Mr. Graves said the County tries to provide good service. They
respond as fast as they can to calls received. They need
cooperation on the part of the residents in signing complaints.
He said they might, on a trial basis, do away with written warnings
and issue citations. He said the City of Issaquah has adopted a
leash ordinance which carries a fine of $40. He said written
warnings can be issued on signed complaints and the violation need
not be observed by an agent. Their agents work four day on and
four days off, from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m., seven days a week. As the
daylight hours grow longer they have units out for longer hours.
Councilman Van Dusen said the proposed ordinance is an amendment
of the model County code. If anyone disagrees with a fine they
can appeal to a higher court.
Mr. Graves said the County would enforce the ordinance as passed
by the City Council.
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May/12, 1980
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DISCUSSION Contd.
King County Animal
Control re animal
control /leash laws
contd.
Bobby Zepp, audience, said she hoped something can be done to
enforce the ordinance. Her neighbor's garden is coming up and a
police dog has jumped the fence and broken down the new plants.
She has a shrub that has been completely ruined by the dogs in
the neighborhood. People are reluctant to sign a complaint
and have trouble with their neighbors. Mr. Graves said that is
a common problem. Sometimes the matter can be handled by talking
to the dog owner, that is a first step. Documentation is also
the foundation of a good case. Mrs. Zepp said often the dogs
run at night and you do not know who they belong to. Mr. Graves
said they cannot schedule people to work after 12 midnight and
before 6 a.m.
Mrs. Rudolf Regel, audience, said the damage is done at night
by the dogs. People think their dog is at home, but it is out
roaming about and causing damage. You do not know who the dog
belongs to.
Mr. Graves said a license on a dog does not permit the dog to
roam. It is a means to identify the owner of the dog and the
revenue from the animal license helps to operate the animal
control. Many people are not aware that their dogs are a
nuisance. We have to let the people know what the problem is and
give them a chance to keep the animal under control. We will
have officers out until 10 p.m. now that there are longer hours
of daylight. When an animal with a license is picked up there
is a fee and kennel charge the owner must pay to reclaim the
pet.
Council President Saul said the Tukwila City fine will be over
and above the County charges.
Prop. Ord. establishing MOVED BY VAN DUSEN, SECONDED BY HILL, THAT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE
a leash law and amending ESTABLISHING A LEASH LAW AND AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 968 (TMC
Ord. 968 (TMC Chap. CHAPER 7.04) BE ON THE AGENDA OF THE MAY 19, 1980 REGULAR
7.04). COUNCIL MEETING.
Councilman Hill said he thought it should be in the newspaper
that this ordinance is going to be on the agenda so the public
can come and discuss it. Councilman Van Dusen said there was
a hearing about a month ago and only three people were present.
Councilman Phelps remarked that Section 2 of the proposed
ordinance refers to animals; Section 3 refers to dogs; and
Section 1 has no reference to either dogs or animals. Does
the leash law include cats?
Council President Saul said the City Attorney should look at
the proposed ordinance and see that the language is proper in
Sections 1, 2, and 3.
Deputy City Attorney Carlson asked if the proposed ordinance
should relate only to dogs. Councilman Johanson said he
thought it should include all animals. Councilman Van Dusen
said the complaints have been about dogs.
*MOTION CARRIED.
Prop. Ord. relating Councilman Van Dusen said the Planning Commission has offered
to installation, mainten- comments on the proposed ordinance. The Chamber of Commerce has
ance repair of side- also offered comments.
walks adding to TMC
Title 11.
In Section 3, Item A, the last sentence has been omitted. It
should read: "All others shall be a minimum of 5 feet." In
Section 4 the developer, etc., can come to the City for a waiver.
Single family residents are left out, as far as being responsible
for the sidewalk. If it is a large residential development, the
developer would have to put in sidewalks.
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 12, 1980
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DISCUSSION Contd.
Prop. Ord. relating to
installation, mainten-
ance repair of side-
walks adding to TMC
Title 11.- contd.
RECESS
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Mayor Todd said he noted in Section 2 (B) that the maintenance
and repair of unfit or unsafe sidewalks shall be the responsi-
bility of the abutting property owner. Those living across
the street and using the sidewalk should have the responsibility
for it, too. Councilman Van Dusen said the City could get into
a costly repair bill, and this section should help the City.
Councilman Van Dusen said he would like to turn the
ordinance over to the City Attorney for review. Councilman
Phelps said perhaps a property owner could file a waiver if they
could not pay for the repair work. Councilman Bohrer said he
would suggest excluding single family residence. It could be
done as it has been in the past. Councilman Van Dusen said
single family could be excluded in Section 2 (B), or it could
be deleted. Councilman Johanson said in some parts of the City
there are sidewalks on one side of the street and not on the
other. If this is altered or deleted then we accept, as a City,
the full liability.
Councilman Van Dusen said the City needs some section on not
parking on sidewalks and no overhanging trees plus the responsi-
bility of cleaning and removing snow from the sidewalks.
Mayor Todd asked if the sidewalks were on private property or
on City property? Council President Saul said in Southcenter
it is private property. In the residential area it is on City
property.
Councilman Bohrer said in the program we have landscaped some
areas between the sidewalk and the curb and we said the City
did not maintain them. In several instances the particular
areas are part of the right -of -way. He said he thought it was
somewhat complicated.
Councilman Van Dusen said if we take on these responsibilities
we should be prepared to fund the job. We cannot keep loading
jobs on the employees and not expect to increase personnel.
Chris Crumbaugh, audience, said in certain areas the sidewalks
are public right -of -way. Would it be the responsibility of the
City to maintain them? When sidewalks are added would they be
turned over to the property owners for their maintenance? In
Andover Park West the sidewalks are City property. City
right -of -way and City sidewalks should be solved by the City.
If a sidewalk goes down one side, both sides benefit from it.
Council President Saul said the City Attorney will look over the
proposed ordinance and advise if the City will need an easement
to put in the sidewalks.
Carl Carlson, Deputy City Attorney, said the City can require a
builder to put in a sidewalk but you cannot invite the public
to use it without an easement.
Councilman Phelps suggested the Council receive guidelines from
the Public Works Department before the ordinance is passed.
MOVED BY VAN DUSEN, SECONDED BY HILL, THAT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE
BE AMENDED AND THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE BE ADDED TO SECTION 3 (A):
"ALL OTHERS SHALL BE MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET." AND THE PROPOSED
ORDINANCE BE ON THE AGENDA OF THE MAY 19, 1980 REGULAR COUNCIL
MEETING. MOTION CARRIED.
4OVED BY VAN DUSEN, SECONDED BY HILL, THAT THE TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL
COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES. MOTION
CARRIED.
Council President Saul called the Committee of the Whole Meeting
back to order, with Council Members present as previoulsy listed.
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 12, 1980
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DISCUSSION Contd.
Policy Dev. for
outstanding litigation
the Chartwell Dev.
*SEE ADDENDUM,
VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT
AT REQUEST OF
COUNCILMAN BOHRER.
Councilman Bohrer presented draft policy position and policy
statement he had prepared on the Chartwell Development and Seattle
Light (SCL) Lawsuit. He said Item 2 (E) of the policy position
was determined to need work on it. The City Attorney was to
give a legal report on it.
Councilman Van Dusen said in Item 2 (E) there are two "shalls"
that he would suggest changing to "should."
Mayor Todd said it was not his intent to hide anything from the
Council. He said if the Council wants any information they
need only ask for it.
Councilman Van Dusen said he thought the policy position and
policy statement were putting restrictions on the Mayor's office.
Section 2(C), for instance, states the City Attorney is the
City spokesman. He thought the City Attorney could not be
directed to be the only spokesman for the City. The City Attorney
works for and by direction of the Mayor.
Councilman Bohrer said the City Council by its action places
restriction on the Mayor. The Council directs policy and the
Mayor implements the policy.
Councilman Van Dusen said theCouncil is interpreting their own
ordinance. Once an ordinance is passed it is beyond the control
of the Council unless they amend it or change it. Councilman
Bohrer said that is correct. It is not up to the Council to
interpret; if the interpretation the Staff has is not what the
Council intended, then the Council should change it.
Councilman Hill said Section 2 (E) bothers him. He thought
administration had brought all information before the Council.
He asked who is to be notified in the Council, all of the Council,
part of the Council, or just an individual? The Council makes
the laws, administration administers them, and the court settles
the differences. He said he could not see the staff coming to
the Council before making a decision. It is up to the Council
if they want a policy statement letter, but the Council should
be sure it is clear to everyone what they want. He thought
administration would enforce it the way Council intends. With
respect to Item 4(B) he thought all such items were public
record and could be requested by anyone.
Mr. Carlson, Deputy City Attorney, said the records would be
available to anyone under the Freedom Act. Once it has been
through a public meeting all of the information is then public.
Councilman Bohrer said he did not intend that information should
be refused, he stated the City Attorney should control it. He
said he saw no reason to rehearse past history. He said he
did not think it was productivity to go back, he would like to
stimulate progress by eliminating the negative.
Mayor Todd said he would like to settle the lawsuit and he felt
the proper way to settle would be out of court and without cost,
that is better than going to court.
Councilman Bohrer said the conclusion is that there is very
little risk of going to court. He said he would like to point
out that administration came to the Council seeking further
authorization to proceed. He said he was trying to write down
a set of guidelines so the Council can do that. No specific
action needs to be taken by the City to settle the lawsuit, it
will settle itself.
Councilman Phelps said she did not care for Paragraph E, second
sentence. She said she did not see the necessity for the draft
policy position.
ADDENDUM TO:
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 12, 1980
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VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT OF PORTION OF MINUTES AT REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN BOHRER.
Bohrer:
Mayor: Mr. Chairman.
Saul: Yes, sir.
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The purpose of the policy statement is to be sure theCouncil and
the Administration are in agreement, are in understanding, and can
proceed as a team.
Mayor: The reason I feel and felt since I read this originally that you
took this position, and I quote from my information, "the most
probable outcome would be to order Tukwila to issue a fill permit
for the site and in this case the only risk to the City is for
attorney's fees estimated to range from $5,000 to $20,000."
Isn't that in your document?
Bohrer:
Mayor:
Yes, sir, it is. If you continue down to paragraph 3 it says
that this case, under Prognosis, it says that it is unlikely this
case would come to trial so long as the Chartwell Development
proceeds. Now the distinction is that in the first case I am
talking about a risk evaluation and in the second case I am
making a prediction based on my past discussions with the City
Attorney's office on what is the most probable cause. Now, if
the City lost the law suit and that is the premise that the
statement is, that if we lost the law suit the most probable
action would be to order us to fill the site, not that we pay
the 32 million dollar face value of the suit. Okay?
I think I would have been more more pleased with your position
statement if you hadn't quoted in here that you got all of your
information from Mae Harris, who has a friend working for the
Seattle City Light.
Hill: No, Seattle City Council.
Bohrer: That was only one...
Mayor: Seattle City Council.
Bohrer: That was only once source of my information, sir.
Saul: Okay, let's move on. Let's not be sitting here doing nothing,
let's do something.
END OF TRANSCRIPT
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 12, 1980
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DISCUSSION Contd.
Policy Dev. for
outstanding litigation
the Chartwell Dev.
contd.
Prop. Res. repealing
Res. #656 and spec.
gen. guidelines for
dev. of 38.9 acre
parcel referred to
as City Light or
Tukwila City Ctr.
*VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT
OF THIS PORTION OF
THE MEETING AT THE
REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN
BOHRER.
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Councilman Van Dusen asked Councilman Bohrer if it was his
intent that the Council adopt this as an informal policy.
Councilman Bohrer said he would like to see the policy state-
ments adopted. Someone must be designated to be the focal point
for these discussions. It is the City Council who makes the
decision, so the City Council should make the policy. He felt
it is worthwhile to have the policy written so everyone can see
it. He said he thought the Council should change it until the
Council agrees on it.
MOVED BY BOHRER, SECONDED BY JOHANSON, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL,
BY FORMAL MOTION TO BE PREPARED BY THE STAFF, ADOPT THE POLICY
POSITIONS GIVEN IN SECTION TWO OF COUNCILMAN BOHRER'S MEMO
DATED APRIL 28, 1980 ENTITLED "DRAFT POLICY POSITION FOR THE
CHARTWELL DEVELOPMENT" AND SUCH FORMAL MOTION BE ON THE AGENDA
OF THE MAY 19, 1980 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
MOVED BY VAN DUSEN, SECONDED BY HILL, TO AMEND THE MOTION
BY CHANGING "CITY ATTORNEY" TO "MAYOR" IN PARAGRAPH 2(C) AND
IN PARAGRAPH 2(E) THE WORD "SHALL" IN BOTH SENTENCES BE
CHANGED TO "SHOULD."
MOVED BY PHELPS, SECONDED BY VAN DUSEN, TO AMEND THE AMENDMENT
SO PARAGRAPH 2(E) READS: "THE CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS
ADMINISTRATION TO INFORM IT OF ALL ACTION RELATIVE TO CHARTWELL
DEVELOPMENT PENDING BEFORE IT IN A TIMELY MANNER."
Councilman Bohrer said it is his prediction thatCity Light will
not fill the site. His intention is to clarify the roles of each
department.
*MOTION CARRIED.
MOTION CARRIED, AS AMENDED, WITH JOHANSON AND BOHRER VOTING NO.
MOTION CARRIED, AS AMENDED, WITH VAN DUSEN VOTING NO.
Keith Cinnamon, Chartwell Development, said basically he sees
no problem with the proposed resolution. They are endeavoring
to work with the City Engineer to get the site into shape so
they can build on it. The size of the wetland or the island
does not create a problem. His main point of concern would be
Guideline No. 8 which states the design of the man -made wetland
environment shall involve the expert counsel of competent
professional specialists, including but not limited to, water
fowl and entomological biologists, landscape architects,
representatives of the Audubon Society, and water quality control
engineers to insure that a well balanced, technological approach
is maintained in recreating the project's wetlands amenity.
He said if such an eminent body got together it would be
difficult to come to a conclusion.
Mr. Cinnamon said the pond would have to be deepened. Right
now it is a drain for water from the street and sewer. It is
not a self supporting habitat right now. It is drying up and
the posts are coming up above the water. The water is not
filtered nor purified. A lot of trash from surrounding building
has been thrown or blown into the area. Mr. Cinnamon said they
would certainly use the landscape architects, the water will be
clean and usable. A drain ditch has been put in so drainage
from the street will be prevented from going into the pond,
making it a breeding place for mosquitos.
Councilman Bohrer said the drain ditch was a policy action that
the Council was not aware of.
Mayor Todd said the property owner had felt this was necessary
in order to protect his property. The storm drainage system
runs off the west end and onto the property. Council President
Saul said he was aware of the drain ditch.
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 12, 1980
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ADDENDUM: VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN BOHRER.
Keith Cinnamon
Johanson: But I think that was the concern.
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Saul: The proposed resolution has been developed, repealing Resolution
No. 656. Chartwell, do you want to discuss this?
Mr. President, I have gone over the new proposal and basically
I don't see any problem with it whatsoever. You are probably
aware we are endeavoring to work with the City engineering
department to prevent surface run -off from going onto the site right
now and to get the site into a shape that it can be built on. The
size of the wetlands and lake does not create a problem, the island
does not create a problem, that was in our original proposal. I
would think that if we had any point of concern it would be No. 8
and I would hate to get such an eminent body all together and not
have somebody who was going to say, "whoa, time has come and it is
going to be done this way" and somebody has to be given the authority
on that basis because there is no way you can get the type of people
that are referred to together and get a general consensus of opinion
in any rush. You are looking at a long drawn out procedure and...
Unfortunately, the site as it exists today will not continue to
support wildlife regardless of what you do because the only way you
can get water into it and keep it a deep enough water level is to
dredge and enlarge and deepen that pond. At the present moment the
water that is in there all ran back through the back -up sewer system
off the streets. The first thing we are concerned with and we
agree 100% with paragraph No. 1, Control Quality of the Water. At
the present moment all of the water that is in there is uncontrolled
quality water that came in out of your storm sewer, backed right up
off it when the storm was on and it was flowing down the street.
I have asked engineering to put in a one way gate to prevent that
happening.
Johanson: Are you saying it is not self- supporting in its present state?
Cinnamon: No, it is not. It ran all sorts of water in there earlier and now
it is going down and the posts are coming up through it and it is
getting shallower.
Johanson: It goes down every year.
Cinnamon: Unless you run water off the streets back into it, it will go down
and not come back up. It can't come up from the only bit of water
that comes off the site itself.
Johanson: The only water that is on the site comes from the site itself?
Cinnamon: The water that is on the site did not come from the site itself.
How can you dump it in there out of your storm system, your storm
system comes off your streets and sewers. You say right in No. 1
it was in by -law 656 before, it must be filtered, it cannot come
off parking lots, streets, or roadways, yet that is where the water
that is in there came from. But it was never filtered, it was never
purified, it is not the quality of water for the project you are
talking about.
Johanson: There are no buildings surrounding it and people are not throwing
paper cups in it, there are not people throwing trash into it and
there are not people throwing food into it and there are not....
Cinnamon: Mr. Johanson, I don't want to argue with you but I am going to tell
you something. There have been building sites going on around there
and I will show you pliofilm that has blown into it, I will show
you wallboard insulation and all sorts of things that have blown in
there in the last year and worse than a few paper cups from people.
Hill: There are some waterfowl in there, but I don't think we would
require you to have a large group of scientists agree on how the
pond should be, we would expect a landscape architect, but do we
need the Audubon?
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 12, 1980
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ADDENDUM: VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN BOHRER.
Cinnamon:
Bohrer:
Cinnamon:
Cinnamon:
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We would certainly use a landscape architect without any doubt,
we could not do a proper job without it, and certainly we are
going to have the water clean and in a usable state. We have
even considered and feel it is necessary to aerate the lake in
order to keep it fresh, otherwise it will become a stagnant smelly
water pond.
I would simply like to point out that it rains in Seattle and the
rain on that site last year ran into the pond, which most of it
would, would cover to a depth of between 32 and 4 feet, so your
statement that all of the water on the site comes from the back -up
out of the sewer system or drainage off the streets is obviously
inaccurate. I don't want to belabor that point. I would like to
ask a question. You mentioned you were working with the City
engineer to get the site in shape and control drainage. What is
the form of that action that you are taking with the City engineer?
We had the City engineering department out to try and prevent any
future waters running off the streets and out of the sewer line
onto the site.
Bohrer: Have you taken any action on the site itself?
The only action we took on the site was to arrange to drain those
areas that were flooded outside of the lake bed up along Strander
to get the water out of there so it would dry out so we wouldn't
have potential breeding grounds for mosquitos and so forth, trying
to protect our site and get the water back into the recognized area.
Bohrer: Specifically what did you do?
Cinnamon: We dug trenching, or I ordered and instructed them and went over it
last week to have trenching put to drain the water back into the
lake area.
Bohrer: So you have had an action with the City administration for some
weeks related to that particular point.
Cinnamon: This last week to ten days, yes.
Bohrer: Last week to ten days...How many people on the Council were aware
of that action?
Saul: I was.
Bohrer: Mr. Hill, were you aware?
Hill: (Answer not audible on tape)
Bohrer: Mr. Van Dusen, were you aware?
Van Dusen: (Answer not audible on tape)
Bohrer: I am simply asking questions. Mr. Johanson?
Johanson: No.
Bohrer: Mrs. Phelps.
Phelps: No.
Saul: The only thing I was aware of was that the drain was higher and if
someone wanted to at some future time could drain it and let the
water drain back out into the street that was possible and the day
I heard there was machinery on there I connected the two and
figured out that was what was happening, but I guess it wasn't
what was happening. That was the only connection I heard, I heard
there was machinery there. I thought it was to drain the water out
and back under the street because the sewer line or the drainage
line is higher than what the water is and that is what I had
no idea what was going on other than that and evidently that wasn't
going on, so...
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 12, 1980
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ADDENDUM: VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN BOHRER.
Bohrer:
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That is why I think this specific point relates to the point we
were discussing policy action. The Mayor had stated there
were no actions pending before the City Council or before the
City related to the site that he had not apprised the Council
of, and now we find out there has been one.
Mayor: What is it you are talking about, I wasn't..
Bohrer: Apparently there has been a drainage ditch dug on the site and
the Council was not informed of it. You stated that you had
informed the Council of all actions related to the site.
Mayor: Well, Mr. Bohrer, I could informthe Council as to when I go to
the bathroom too, but I don't choose to do that because I think
that is my business, and secondly I don't think it is anybody's
business if a property owner feels it is necessary to protect his
property. I endorse that plan because I think the property owner
has rights as well as cities, and states, and counties, and
federal governments. I don't think it can be any other way. It
cannot be a democracy if it isn't that way.
Bohrer: Mr. Todd, your statement was you informed the Council of all action.
Mayor: Further..
Saul: Okay, that enough..we don't want...
Mayor: I don't think the Council really realizes where the storm drainage
system is physically located regarding elevation in Andover Park
West. Now, when we issued the permit for that project to City
Light, the storm drainage system was located at an elevation in
the street so it could accommodate drainage water from that site
as if it were filled, and that is what the problem is. The storm
drainage system down there fills up with water and it runs out
the west end and onto the property. What he says is exactly true.
Saul: Okay, let's move on.
END OF VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT.
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 12, 1980
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DISCUSSION Contd.
Prop. Res. repealing
Res. #656 and spec.
gen. guidelines for
dev. of 38.9 acre
parcel referred to
as City Light or
Tukwila City Ctr.- contd.
Offer for City to
purchase site so.
adjacent to P -17
Pond.
Prop. Res. declaring
intent to improve
portion of So. 152nd
57th So. create
LID #30.
Bestway Motor Frt.
request for waiver
to develop trk. term.
at easterly terminus
of So. 143rd St.
adjacent to Green
River.
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Mark Caughey, Assistant Planner, said Guideline 9 of the proposed
resolution addresses the 45 foot wide right -of -way corridor
for an access road along the south edge of the property and
sufficient right -of -way should be reserved on Strander Boule-
vard and Andover Park West frontages of the site to provide
additional travel lane space.
MOVED BY VAN DUSEN, SECONDED BY HILL, THAT THE PROPOSED
RESOLUTION REPEALING RESOLUTION #656 AND SPECIFYING GENERAL
GUIDELINES FOR DEVELOPMENT OF 38.9 ACRE PARCEL COMMONLY
REFERRED TO AS THE "CITY LIGHT" OR "TUKWILA CITY CENTER
(CHARTWELL)" SITE BE ON THE AGENDA OF THE MAY 19, 1980
REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
Council President Saul asked how we can be sure we will have
9.5 acres in wetlands. Mark Caughey, Planning Department,
said the resolution contains guidelines to be followed and
there will have to be interpretations given on both sides.
He said they would be as professional as possible.
Councilman Phelps said Guideline 10 gives final approval
to the development plan to the City Council.
*MOTION CARRIED, WITH JOHANSON VOTING NO.
Council President Saul said Mr. Harold Iverson had offered
the site immediately south and adjacent the P -17 pond to
the City. It would cost $2.26 per sq. ft., amounting to $198,500.
Councilman Johanson said it was not property that would be use-
ful to the City as a park.
Mr. Paul Iverson, audience, said over the course of time he
had explored a number of possibilities of what to do in order
to develop. He thought the City might be interested because
of the Christensen Road.
Council President Saul said the City does not have a lot of
money to develop it.
MOVED BY HILL, SECONDED BY VAN DUSEN, THAT THE MATTER BE
PLACED WITH THE PARK BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION. MOTION CARRIED.
MOVED BY VAN DUSEN, SECONDED BY HILL, THAT THE PROPOSED
RESOLUTION DECLARING INTENT TO IMPROVE PORTION OF SOUTH
152ND STREET AND 57TH AVENUE SOUTH AND TO CREATE LID NO. 30
BE ON THE AGENDA OF THE MAY 19, 1980 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
MOTION CARRIED.
Councilman Bohrer said this subject was discussed in the
Community Affairs Committee meeting. Their recommendation was
that existing industrial zoning and comprehensive plan industrial
designations within the Interurban Avenue Corridor be eliminated
in favor of high- occupancy office, or medium to high- density
residential usage. This change would help to create a
pedestrian- oriented commercial environment as envisioned by
the Interurban Avenue Corridor Plan, and would encourage more
open access to the Green River shoreline. Staff suggests that
Council delay action on this waiver request until the
Community Affairs Committee proposal for land -use changes on
this and other sites in the corridor area are evaluated in
separate Council action.
Tom Walsh, Attorney for Bestway Freight, said they bought
this property on South 143rd three and one -half years ago.
There were other truck terminals and trucking industries on this
street and they considered it a prime location for the new
terminal. They inquired as to the zoning, and discovered that
the zoning was light industrial and allowed truck terminals as
conditional uses. A year later the Council adopted the new
Comprehensive Plan and did not change the land use restrictions
for Bestway's property. The Comprehensive Land Use Map desig-
nated Bestway's property as light industrial. Recently new
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 12, 1980
Page. 7
DISCUSSION Contd.
Bestway Motor Frt.
request for waiver
to develop trk. term.
at easterly terminus
of So. 143rd St.
adjacent to Green
River contd.
Doubletree Plaza
Hotel Sign.
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zoning has been proposed for the City in accordance with the new
Comprehensive Plan. The proposed zoning continues the Bestway
property as light industrial zoning, and continues to allow
truck terminals as conditional uses in light industrial zones.
Professional architectural and engineering services were retained
and there were no complaints from any of the neighbors for
their type of business.
This spring representatives of Bestway approached the City
to request all necessary permits to construct its terminal.
Application materials were completed and filed with the City
along with application fees.
In April the Bestway representatives appeared at the Council
meetinij to discuss their waiver application. At this time
and for the first time in the 32 years of planning Bestway
learned that there were some zoning changes being considered
which were affecting their proposal. Their waiver application
was held pending a discussion of land use changes in the
Interurban Avenue Corridor. On May 8 Bestway learned that an
Interurban Avenue Corridor Study had been conducted and a
potential down -zone for this area was being considered.
Bestway has now put itself into a position of total
commitment to this site, which no knowledge that a change in
zoning is being considered. It's present lease expires at the
end of the year and it has no other locations in mind. If, for
any reason, it is unable to develop its terminal at this site,
Bestway will suffer substantial damages.
Mr. Walsh said the planned development will be consistent with
the Shoreline Master Program, it will be consistent with the
Comprehensive Plan and it will encourage aesthetic building
and site design, using live landscaping in all developments.
There will be adequate parking for all land uses.
MOVED BY VAN DUSEN, SECONDED BY PHELPS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR
WAIVER TO DEVELOP A TRUCK TERMINAL AT THE EASTERLY TERMINUS
OF SOUTH 143RD STREET ADJACENT TO THE GREEN RIVER BE ON THE
AGENDA OF THE MAY 19, 1980 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. MOTION
CARRIED.
Tim Debois, Doubletree Plaza representative, said there have
been no variances to the sign code since 1975. There should
be one sign for every face of the building that affronts a
street.
They have one free standing sign. The sign they propose would
be small and in good taste.
He said he would like theCity Council to direct or allow the
Board of Adjustment to review variances on the grounds of intent
of the sign code. He suggested more flexibility be put into
the sign code. Perhaps the Council can specify the total number
of square footage that is wanted on a building, but not limit
the number of signs on any one building. They have multi -uses of
the building.
Al Pieper, Building Official, said he had advised Mr. Debois
not to go to the Board of Adjustment. The code says they will
grant variances based on various points. No applicant can prove
a hardship to get a sign.
Councilman Van Dusen said perhaps the Council could have a waiver
procedure as they develop the sign code.
Carl Carlson, Deputy City Attorney, said he thought the City
could set up a waiver procedure by by- passing the Board of
Adjustment.
Councilman Johanson suggested the Public Works Committee look
into this. The Council created the Board of Adjustment to help
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 12, 1980
Page 8
DISCUSSION Contd.
Doubletree Plaza
Hotel Sign contd.
Prop. Ord. establishing
green fees charged at
Foster Munic. Golf
Links.
the Planning Commission. Councilman Van Dusen said he did not
believe the Council set up the criteria of the Board of
Adjustment. They have a set of rules they have to adhere to.
Al Pieper, Building Official, said the Board of Adjustment
will hear any variances we put to them, but then few can get
by the question of "where is your hardship You cannot grant
special privileges. Mr. Pieper suggested divorcing the sign
code from the zoning.
Councilman Van Dusen suggested the Council set up a separate
set of guidelines directed to the sign code and turn that over
to the Board of Adjustment.
The Deputy City Attorney said he would check on it. He said
if the Council creates a body they have to give the body
criteria to go by.
Mr. Pieper said if the action outlined by Councilman Van Dusen
is taken, a permit could not be issued until at least
September. It would take that long to get the item on the
agendas of the various meetings.
Councilman Bohrer said the Council has had a number of
discussions about people having problems with the sign code
Council President Saul said this matter would be turned over
to the Public Works Committee for further action.
Councilman Phelps said the matter of green fees will be
addressed again later in the year or in January 1981, after
we have the benefit of the new irrigation system.
Roy Moore, manager of Foster Municipal Golf Links, said
after looking at the proposal he could not economically
recommend a change in fees at this time. This would reduce
the income some $10,000 a year based on the business that was
done last year. He said he had no complaints about the fees
presently charged, they have been in existence for four years.
He said to lower the fees at this time would be a mistake.
Councilman Bohrer asked when the irrigation will be completely
installed, and when it is installed the labor to irrigate will
be materially reduced.
Mr. Moore said that is not correct. With the irrigation system
in it will increase the upkeep of the grass. In July or August
he has not had to have anyone out mowing because the grass did
not grow in the dry weather. With the irrigation system in
the grass will continue to grow and require more upkeep.
Don Williams, Recreation Supervisor, said the committee has
talked about increasing the rates the first of theyear. He
said he had not received any complaints from anyone about the
present rates. We have tried to have them in keeping with the
general area.
Councilman Phelps said with a more equitable rate for juniors
and seniors they would be encouraged to play. She said the
committee had also discussed setting up a special rate for
citizens of the City. The number of residents who play is not
significant.
Councilman Hill said if we lower the rates we will have more
people coming here to play.
Mr. Moore expressed the view that the rates at Foster Golf
Links are one of the lowest around. The juniors and seniors
are not unhappy with the rates. By lowering the rates you
TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
May 12, 1980
Page 9
DISCUSSION Contd.
Prop. Ord. establishing
green fees charged at
Foster Munic. Golf
Links contd.
Items 9, 10, 13, 14, 15, MOVED BY HILL, SECONDED BY VAN DUSEN, THAT ITEMS 9, 10, 13, 14,
17, 18, 19, 20 of the 15, 17, 18, 19, 20 BE CARRIED TO THE AGENDA OF THE MAY 27,
agenda. 1980 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING. MOTION CARRIED.
Power Supply to Foster
Pump Station for
Foster Golf Links
Irrigation Project.
ADJOURNMENT
11:10 P.M.
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will impact the course with people playing on Saturday and
Sunday for $3.00.
Mayor Todd asked what it will cost to operate the pump.
Mr. Moore said the electric bill will be large, it will be
$600 to $800 per month.
Councilman Phelps said she would like to adopt the rates as
they are at present in ordinance form.
MOVED BY PHELPS, SECONDED BY VAN DUSEN, THAT THE PROPOSED
ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING GREEN FEES CHARGED AT FOSTER MUNICIPAL
GOLF LINKS BE ON THE AGENDA OF THE MAY 19, 1980 REGULAR COUNCIL
MEETING. MOTION CARRIED.
Council President Saul said there would be an Executive
Session on May 19, 1980 at 6:00 p.m. prior to the regular
Council Meeting to discuss the 1980 through 1982 Labor
Contract Agreement negotiated with the International
Association of Fire Fighter's Union Local No. 2088
representing Tukwila Fire Fighters.
Don Williams, Recreation Supervisor, said the purpose of this
discussion is to obtain direction from Council for electrical
hook -up for the pump station. One route would be to cross
the Paul Haggard property, by obtaining an easement, and then
to follow the south property line easterly to the pump station,
which will cost about $10,050. The other route would follow
Maul Avenue going north and then easterly along the south property
line to the pump station, which will cost $15,000. Haggard
will give Puget Power an easement if the City will provide
him an easement allowing his buildings to remain on City -owned
property. The choice is to pay the higher cost and avoid the
Haggard property. Mr. Hard, City Attorney, has said to resolve
the property ownership question may take considerable time.
The recommendation is to take the Maul Avenue route, although
the cost is higher.
MOVED BY BOHRER, SECONDED BY HILL, THAT THE CITY SPEND THE
$15,000 AND TAKE THE MAUL AVENUE ROUTE TO OBTAIN ELECTRICAL
HOOK -UP FOR THE PUMP STATION AND IT BE ON THE AGENDA OF THE
MAY 19, 1980 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. MOTION CARRIED.
MOVED BY VAN DUSEN, SECONDED BY HILL, THAT THE TUKWILA CITY
COUNCIL COMMITTEE THE WHOLE MEETING BE ADJOURNED. MOTION
}'F ED:
Dan Saul, City oun. '-elertt r
Nori1a Booher, Recording Secretary