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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1981-08-17 Special MinutesAugust 17, 1981 7:00 P.M. SPECIAL MEETING CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL OF COUNCIL MEMBERS STAFF IN ATTENDANCE DISCUSSION Chap. 18.56, Off- Street Parking Loading Regulations, Page 99. Sec. 18.56.030, Reduction of existing parking spaces. Sec. 18.56.040, General Requirements. TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL MINUTES 337y City Hall Council Chambers MOVED BY BOHRER, SECONDED BY JOHANSON, THAT COUNCILMAN HILL FUNCTION AS CHAIRMAN OF THE SPECIAL MEETING IN THE ABSENCE OF COUNCIL PRESIDENT VAN DUSEN. MOTION CARRIED. The Special Meeting of the Tukwila City Council was called to order by Chairman Hill. L. C. BOHRER, MABEL J. HARRIS, GEORGE D. HILL, J. REID JOHANSON, DORIS E. PHELPS. BRAD COLLINS, Director of Planning; FRED SATTERSTROM, Planner. Chairman Hill said the discussion would begin on Chapter 18.56, Off- Street Parking and Loading Regulations, Page 99. Chairman Hill asked about an individual who might have a one story building and he wanted to add two stories above for office; what provision would have to be made for additional parking? Fred Satterstrom, Planner, said an individual would have to prove he had adequate parking within 1,000' or he would be denied a building permit or business license. Everytime a business license comes through, staff has to check the business to be sure there is adequate parking. Sometimes it is necessary to deny a business license due to lack of parking facilities. Chairman Hill asked how the situation would be changed if there is one tenant using a building for a warehouse and then it is divided and there are ten tenants using the building? Fred Satterstrom, Planner, said each use of a building would be responsible for providing its own number of parking stalls. If an individual building were to be converted to office use and there were not sufficient parking space the developer would have to assure the City that there would be adequate parking or the building permit would not be issued. Councilman Bohrer said Sections 18.56.010 and 18.56.020 take care of changes in use of a building. Chairman Hill referred to Section 18.56.040 (1) (b), "Parking and loading areas shall not be located closer than 50' to any residential district unless accessory to that district," and asked how this section would affect the Xerox building that is being proposed? Fred Satterstrom, Planner, said it could create a problem there as well as on Interurban Avenue. Brad Collins, Director of Planning, said the current Xerox building would have the same problem. Fred Satterstrom, Planner, said this may not be too much of a problem since there are landscaping requirements and the extra landscaping would be a buffer. Councilman Phelps said there is a 50% increase in landscaping requirements when industrial use occurs across the street from single family or multi family use. Mr. Satterstrom said the parking requirements were designed to protect the single family or multi- family from the disruptions of parking areas. He said if the Council is of the opinion B.A.R. review should be in the C -1, P -0, or multi- family parking lots, they would have control on most of the situations. It might be wise to consider it when the Board of Architectural Review is considered and see if it is adequately addressed at that time. TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING August 17, 1981 Page 2 DISCUSSION Contd. Sec. 18.56.040, General Requirements, contd. Lines 13 17, Page 100 Chairman Hill said at times large trucks are left parked on the streets overnight in the residential areas. Francis North, audience, said in this area trucks are all over. Mr. Satterstrom said the word "stored" cars has been used because sometimes a truck is parked for a time, but they are not meant to be stored which indicates more permanency. Parking may be tolerated. Chairman Hill referred to Section 18.56.040 (1) (b), and said he could see that the Planning Commission was trying to protect the residential areas. This could make a lot of problems for the City. Councilman Bohrer said he favored Mr. Satterstrom's suggestion that this be considered at the time the Board of Architectural Review is considered. Councilman Bohrer referred to Section 18.56.040 (4) (b), which states: "Turning and maneuvering space shall be located entirely on private property unless specially approved by the Public Works Department and Board of Architectural Review." There are places where a business thought they would have small trucks and small maneuvering space and then later they go to large trucks that require more space in which to maneuver. It is not known if this situation gets looked at when there is a change in the size of trucks that would be used. It is a very disruptive thing to have a large truck maneuvering in the street during the rush hours. Chairman Hill said there seems to be only one place that has its own maneuvering space and that is Segale. Most of the trucks on the Andover Parks use the street to back into loading spaces. He said he would like to see Section 18.56.040 (4) (b) left in the zoning code. Councilman Bohrer said he would like to find a way to put some teeth into the requirement. He asked if there is a City law that says you cannot maneuver on City streets. Fred Satterstrom, Planner said there is none at present. Cris Crumbaugh, audience, said most of the businesses on the Andover Parks presume to being able to maneuver on the street. Councilman Hill said there is a Public Safety meeting on Wednesday, August 26, 1981, and this subject will be discussed at that meeting. Councilman Bohrer said if the City could get rid of the truck maneuvering on the streets, traffic could be better controlled. Chairman Hill said Section 18.56.040 (4) (b) would be left in the zoning code. CouncilmanHarrissaid the Andover Parks were not meant to be commercial but strictly industrial so only the people who go there would be the trucks bringings loads in and out and the people who work there. They were not meant to be thoroughfares. She said this should be left in and the Police Department should deal with it. Councilman Bohrer said it should be left in and the matter submitted to the Public Health and Safety Committee. Cris Crumbaugh, audience, referred to Lines 13 17 on Page 100 (18.56.040, (3)), and asked if this applies to structured parking? Councilman Hill said this requirement came from the Fire Department Fred Satterstrom said it was also a requirement from the Public Works Department. He said, however, when you get into parking structures it would not be covered by Lines 13 17. This requirement is written for surface parking areas. TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING August 17, 1981 Page 3 DISCUSSION Contd. Lines 13 17, Page 100, contd. Line 30, Page 100 Sec. 18.56.040 (4)(d). Lines 5 7, Page 100 Sec. 18.56.040 (1) (a). 33f1 MOVED BY BOHRER, SECONDED BY HARRIS, THAT STAFF RESEARCH PARKING STRUCTURES AND BRING BACK A PROPOSAL TO THE COUNCIL. MOTION CARRIED. Cris Crumbaugh, audience, referred to Line 30 on Page 100, Section 18.56.040 (4)(d), "....such driveway shall require a minimum width of 12' and 3' minimum width sidewalk adjoining the building curbed or raised six inches above driveway surface," and asked the purpose of this requirement. Fred Satterstrom, Planner, said this requirement is to get a person from the parking lot to the front of the building safely. Cris Crumbaugh said the City is taking away more land all of the time and this will make unbuildable lots. Councilman Phelps asked if the building had a rear door entrance, would this sidewalk be required? Mr. Satterstrom said not as written. Councilman Hill asked if this would be 12' plus 3' sidewalk? Mr. Satterstrom said yes, it would be 15' in all. Councilman Bohrer said if you were building a new building you could design it in. If you were trying to redevelop then you might have some problems. We have responsibility to see there is some protection for the people who use the sidewalks. Cris Crumbaugh, audience, referred to Lines 5 7, Page 100, Section 18.56.040 (1) (a), "Parking lots not located on the premises or within 500' from the principal use shall be considered a conditional use," and asked to have it explained. Mr. Satterstrom said he could not see a parking lot designed where it would be 500' from the most remote parking stall and still be on the premises. In such a case it would be a conditional use. Cris Crumbaugh said we may have them designed that way. Councilman Hill said when the Benaroya Building, used by the Boeing Company, was being built they came to the City Council and wanted to split it up into four different taxable pieces of property. Maybe the principal use is Piece A, but you go out on the parking lot to Pieces B, C, and D. That would be more than 500' from the principal use. It was divided up to make four different tax bases. Fred Satterstrom said when this was written the word "or" was intentionally written so if there were parking stalls on the premises over 500' from the principal use that would be a condi- tional use. That would be definitive parking lots. Brad Collins, Director of Planning, said Southcenter would be considered one parking lot and if the furtherest stall is more than 500' away it would all be considered part of the parking lot that goes within a few feet of the principal structure. If Southcenter should purchase the Tukwila Pond site for surface parking then presumably that would be more than 500' away from their principal use. Even though it is located on adjacent premises it still would not qualify, it would have to be considered a conditional use. Cris Crumbaugh, audience, asked as it is written does that mean if you have a parking lot that is not on the premises, but next door, you have to get a conditional use? Mr. Satterstrom said that was right. Councilman Bohrer said we are talking about two separate things, it is either (a) on the premises, or (b) within 500'. Mr. Satterstrom said that is right, it would not have to be both. TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING August 17, 1981 Page 4 DISCUSSION Contd. Lines 5 7, Page 100, Cris Crumbaugh, audience, said he would say that parking lots Sec. 18.56.040 (1)(a), that are within 500' should be subject to B.A.R. review. It seems contd. B.A.R. could handle the situation. If they are over 500' they should require conditional use. Line 19, Page 102 Lines 3 5, Page 102 Councilman Hill said he was wondering if the lot starts within 500' of a building and continues for one -half a mile then that would be considered a conditional use? Maybe the parking lot would start right by the front door and continue on. Brad Collins, Director of Planning, said his interpretation is that if any part of the parking lot is within 500' then the entire parking lot would qualify and would be exempt, rather than every lot would have to be within 500' of the building. It seems the proper terminology would be parking stalls rather than parking lots. It seems that this might be subject to adminis- trative and judicial review as to how this is interpreted if it came to a question. COUNCILMAN JOHANSON LEFT THE MEETING AT 9:00 P.M. Fred Satterstrom, Planning, said suggested wording might be: "Parking lots not located on the premises (but within 1,000') of the principal use shall be considered a conditional use unless covered by binding agreement." Another wording: "Parking areas located on the premises but not within 1000' of the principal use shall require B.A.R. approval." Chairman Hill said staff should pursue the matter and come back with the wording to be considered next time. RECESS Chairman Hill said the Tukwila City Council would recess for 9:20 9:30 P.M. five minutes. Chairman Hill called the meeting back to order, with Council Members present as listed, except Councilman Johanson who left the meeting at 9:00 P.M. Chairman Hill read Line 19, Page 102, "Where pedestrian walks are used in parking lots for the use of foot traffic, only they shall be curbed, or raised six inches above the lot surface," and asked the reason for this. Fred Satterstrom said it was for the safety of pedestrians. Chairman Hill read Lines 3 5, Page 102, "Ingress and egress to any off street parking area shall not be located closer than 20' from point of tangent to an intersection or pedestrian cross walk," and asked about the point of tangent. The point of tangent was illustrated on the board by Fred Satterstrom. MOVED BY BOHRER, SECONDED BY HARRIS, THAT LINES 3 5 ON PAGE 102 READ: "INGRESS AND EGRESS TO ANY OFF- STREET PARKING LOT imu SHALL NOT BE LOCATED CLOSER THAN TWENTY FEET FROM POINT OF TANGENT TO AN INTERSECTION. "07;/K 07$7 /M/QROMAVKi MOTION CARRIED, WITH HILL VOTING NO. Prop. Off- Street Parking The proposed off street parking area dimensions chart on Page Area Dimensions. 101 was discussed. Chairman Hill asked where the chart had originated? Fred Satterstrom said it was from the City of Seattle's parking code. This had seemed to be the most flexible. Gary Huff, audience, said some of the parking lots at Southcenter are nonconforming and it would cost a lot of money to make them conforming. The nonconforming section will provide for them. Brad Collins, Director of Planning, said as new parking lots are built they will have to conform. Cars are smaller now. It appears the chart was designed for larger cars. Southcenter stalls are designed for one -way traffic. TUKWILA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING August 17, 1981 Page 5 DISCUSSION Contd. Prop. Off- Street Parking Brad Collins, Director of Planning, said the chart provides for Area Dimensions, contd. compact car stalls. ADJOURNMENT 10:25 P.M. Cris Crumbaugh, audience, asked about the compact stall require- ment. Chairman Hill read the compact car requirement from Page 107, Section 18.56.090, which says that a maximum of 30% of the total required off street parking stalls may be permitted and designated for compact cars in commercial and retail areas. For industrial uses, compact stalls shall not exceed 30% of the total off street parking requirements. Gary Huff, audience, said the parking at Southcenter is at an angle of 54 degrees. New parking lots would have to conform to the new parking requirements. MOVED BY PHELPS, SECONDED BY HARRIS, THAT THE SPECIAL MEETING ADJOURN. MOTION CARRIED. George D. 14i11 Chairthah of the Special Meeting C eR 4 0-44-11 Noma Booher, Recording Secretary